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Vitale suspect linked to pot scheme
Contra Costa Times ^ | 10/20/5 | Kelli Phillips, Nathaniel Hoffman and Kiley Russell

Posted on 10/20/2005 4:29:25 PM PDT by SmithL

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To: SmithL
The man met Dyleski about seven years ago through his sister and took him out to play golf and tried to be a mentor.

"To me he's a nonviolent person," the man said.

Doesn't look violent to me. Another peaceful pothead just snaps. He should have gotten a medical marijuana card instead.

41 posted on 10/20/2005 6:05:28 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it

Wish I would have thought of that!

42 posted on 10/20/2005 6:09:01 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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To: the invisib1e hand

So now we're dragging the French into this, next thing you know it will all be because of a directive from Bin Laden. By the way, you only need to push "enter" once.


43 posted on 10/20/2005 6:10:11 PM PDT by LoofaBoy
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To: operation clinton cleanup

It's from Reagan of course.


44 posted on 10/20/2005 6:12:07 PM PDT by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: DMinus
why exactly is the title misleading as a "pot scheme?" that seems rather demagogic to me. it could also be a "goth scheme" or a "satanic scheme" or a "scheme to buy stuff online."

It is a little misleading. It's really a combination of some or all of those. It seems to be happening a lot near me, except for the murders (so far). Drug dealers from the big city recruit people to 'grow' for them in rural areas, we were told in the police report, generally teen potsmokers, who lately happen to be punk or goth or both, and as so many teens are, computer savvy. Our local police have busted a huge pot ring of local teens and non-local dealers who were scheming to grow (gathering supplies) and to fund this venture, they used identity and credit card theft. And a few smaller groups as well. And it's not just pot anymore, but heroine, too. It's happening all over the rural area where I am in the small towns, a couple hours drive from the 'cities'. The son of acquaintances of mine is serving time now, awaiting trial, for identity theft, computer fraud, drug posession. It's not his first arrest. And the family is well to do and are involved in their kids lives - or were.

45 posted on 10/20/2005 6:15:57 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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To: Moonman62

Of course!


46 posted on 10/20/2005 6:16:00 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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why exactly is the title misleading as a "pot scheme?"

He was ordering lights, etc. and having them delivered to the construction site to avoid suspicion. The lights etc. would then be used in an indoor pot factory.

47 posted on 10/20/2005 6:17:24 PM PDT by WildTurkey (When will CBS Retract and Apologize?)
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To: Musket; LoofaBoy

It's great, just as long as you keep the cattle out of the living room.


48 posted on 10/20/2005 6:17:27 PM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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and that of course drove him to murder? sorry if i call that a little bit "reefer madness" BS.


49 posted on 10/20/2005 6:20:14 PM PDT by DMinus
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To: SmithL

good one, LOL!!


50 posted on 10/20/2005 6:22:17 PM PDT by LoofaBoy
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To: SmithL

No death penalty for minors in CA.

I wondered how folks would feel about that when something awful happened. Didn't expect it so soon.


51 posted on 10/20/2005 6:22:56 PM PDT by Wiseghy (Discontent is the want of self-reliance: it is infirmity of will. – Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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Dyleski lives at a crowded, unkempt straw-bale house on Hunsaker Canyon with two other families.


A bicycle sits in the front yard of a home in the 1000 block of Hunsaker Canyon, the home of the suspect in the murder of Pamela Vitale. Chronicle photo by Mark Costantini

From http://www.adpsr-norcal.org/menu/Events/Calendar2002/Nov2002.htm:


Saturday
11/16/2002
 
8am - Dark, 1050 Hunsaker Canyon Rd., Lafayette.

Straw Bale Raising
Come to this old-fashioned Amish barn raising event. If you're interested in helping in someway that does not involve hoisting or hauling bales there will be plenty to do. Food, drink, and childcare will be provided (RSVP by 11/7). Anyone wishing to spend the night, is welcome to pitch a tent or to sleep on the subfloor in a sleeping bag. Info: 925/284-0142.

The phone reverses to a Frederick and Kimberly Curiel at that address.

It's also apparently the home of a certain Esther Fielding, who is into DNA Activation. Whatever.

Sounds like a regular old commune.

52 posted on 10/20/2005 6:28:30 PM PDT by cynwoody
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why exactly is the title misleading as a "pot scheme?" that seems rather demagogic to me. it could also be a "goth scheme" or a "satanic scheme" or a "scheme to buy stuff online."

Exactly DMinus, or a fund raiser to re-elect __________.


53 posted on 10/20/2005 6:29:03 PM PDT by LoofaBoy
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The straw bale property is assessed at $615,963. That's $240,558 for the land, and $375,405 for the improvements. Current year taxes come to $7131.30. Wonder how they split it up?
54 posted on 10/20/2005 6:35:45 PM PDT by cynwoody
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Fortunecookie, I have to disagree with what you said in your post. It's not that I'm accusing you of mis-truths, I'm sure you're only repeating what you've been told. In my real life, I've been involved in combating this type of enterprise for years, most kids who smoke pot give the habit up after a few years, particularly once they get into carreers paths and whatnot. Most normal kids would avoid getting involved in any type of situation you mention, the risks are far too high, both legally and personally. This leaves the outsiders who really have nothing to lose. Coming from a family that is well to do and involved in their kids lives is not a guarantee that a young person won't get into trouble, on the contrary, when these kids do break the law, it is usually indicative of something far more serious going on within the family unit. Also, heroin is extremely, extremely difficult to cultivatel in North American climates, nor does it do well in a greenhous stting.


55 posted on 10/20/2005 6:41:38 PM PDT by LoofaBoy
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How much do you think this kid would take to do the dirty deed?

Don't think the kid did it....look closer to DH


56 posted on 10/20/2005 6:44:32 PM PDT by MyStory2
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Is that some kind of witchcraft, voodoo, or just something alternative, really people, stop being so paranoid. This kid could have been bullied by classmates for the last 6 years. Don't be so afraid of something that isn't perfectly clear to you.


57 posted on 10/20/2005 6:46:20 PM PDT by LoofaBoy
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To: LoofaBoy

I think you probably mean "heroin producing" poppies.


58 posted on 10/20/2005 7:06:47 PM PDT by TexasrulesDCdrools
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Adobe is at least as good ecologically; is structurally more sound; is fireproof; lasts longer; is at least as cheap to build, if you make your own brick...



...doesn't look as funky, or scream "HIPPY!" as loudly.

59 posted on 10/20/2005 7:13:49 PM PDT by ApplegateRanch (Mohamophages of the world, unite!)
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Actually, LoofaBoy, I agree with you, at least in part.

Fortunecookie, I have to disagree with what you said in your post. It's not that I'm accusing you of mis-truths, I'm sure you're only repeating what you've been told.

Actually, it's not what I've been told, these particular teens are kids I've known for years, and their parents (some my peers), too. These kids perpetrating these crimes are only a small number of the kids smoking pot, whether occasionally or regularly. Perhaps I should have added that.

In my real life, I've been involved in combating this type of enterprise for years, most kids who smoke pot give the habit up after a few years, particularly once they get into carreers paths and whatnot. Most normal kids would avoid getting involved in any type of situation you mention, the risks are far too high, both legally and personally.

And I agree, that of these kids 'busted' for further activities other than 'personal use' or 'posession', were indeed outsiders, whether well off or poor.

Coming from a family that is well to do and involved in their kids lives is not a guarantee that a young person won't get into trouble, on the contrary, when these kids do break the law, it is usually indicative of something far more serious going on within the family unit.

I didn't mean to imply that, I guess knowing him, I was really shocked. You know, 'good family' and all that. I agree, I think you're right that something must have been going on inside their family, but for that teen from that family to be involved so deeply, it was a shock to a lot of people. The family is well off, but they were also considered a 'good' family, that was the shock, but I guess it always is in that case.

Also, heroin is extremely, extremely difficult to cultivatel in North American climates, nor does it do well in a greenhous stting.

LOL, wow, I'm didn't catch that, I'm really having an off day! I didn't mean to imply that they intended to grow heroin, merely peddle it. I guess it was misleading the way I typed it.

60 posted on 10/20/2005 7:30:07 PM PDT by fortunecookie
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