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In Wilma's wake, relief falls short, tempers shorter
Yahoo!News ^ | October 26, 2005 | Jamie Malernee

Posted on 10/26/2005 7:19:52 AM PDT by mlc9852

No power, no gas, no water--and for many, no help.

South Floridians began to comprehend the long-term affects of Hurricane Wilma on Tuesday, as it became increasingly clear that residents could spend the next few days, if not weeks, waiting in lines for basic supplies, coveting working showers and toilets, and in many cases, kicking themselves for underestimating the damage a Category 2 storm could bring.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: paginglootie; whiners; wilma
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To: HostileTerritory

No, I'm not being sanctimonious, I'm just fed up with the number of victims who blame anyone but themselves for their plight. The state never said "Don't worry". If they did, I'd like to know who said it, when they said it, and in what forum.

I am in victim-fatigue mode.


101 posted on 10/26/2005 12:08:33 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: HostileTerritory
Couple that reassuring talk with the expectation that this storm was not going to do much damage to the heavily populated southeast coast...

You weren't paying attention, were you?

Well, I remember hearing the state of Florida talking about how they have ice and emergency supplies available at points all over the state and they're regularly replenished before emergencies.

Do you remember the part about being ready to take care of themselves for THREE TO FIVE days?

102 posted on 10/26/2005 12:54:04 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: mewzilla

***Wow. I'd like to know how they did that.***

Are you referring to how they got three adult cats in that carrier? If so, I'd sure like to know, too. While you're putting one in, the others would jump out. Oh WAIT, maybe they put catnip in the carrier and closed the top while the cats were spaced out. LOL


103 posted on 10/26/2005 12:56:19 PM PDT by kitkat (Democrat=Socialist=Communist. Hillary the RED)
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To: HostileTerritory
The state said "don't worry, we're prepared"

Correct me if I'm wrong -- but I don't think I am -- the "state" didn't say they were going to come out with the ice, etc., within hours of the storm leaving the coast.

You want to kick people when they're down, go ahead and do it, don't get sanctimonious about it.

Nobody's kicking anybody; we're just saying that there is NO reason in the world for these people to NOT be prepared, except that they do not LISTEN and PAY ATTENTION to what was going on around them.

Did the people in Miami think that they weren't going to get hit with something when Key West was CLEARLY in the strike path?

104 posted on 10/26/2005 12:57:08 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Jaded

Precisely.


105 posted on 10/26/2005 12:58:28 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Suddenly, there are many Americans who have turned into small children, demanding they be instantly taken care of. What on earth brought around this childish behavior?


106 posted on 10/26/2005 1:01:58 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: McGavin999
Amazing, isn't it?

O/T: Alan Dershowitz, of all people, is on Fox this very minute trashing this investigation!

And Ann Coulter is making snide remarks about Rove really maybe being Bush's brain because look what has happened to Bush while Karl is distracted.

107 posted on 10/26/2005 1:04:33 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: Howlin

Sounds like Ann Colter has gone completely third party. Oh well.


108 posted on 10/26/2005 1:16:39 PM PDT by McGavin999 (We're a First World Country with a Third World Press (Except for Hume & Garrett ))
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To: Howlin

I heard that. She's turned into a royal class Bitch.


109 posted on 10/26/2005 1:17:53 PM PDT by bonfire (dwindler)
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To: martin_fierro

Chinese sushi delivery???


110 posted on 10/26/2005 1:19:53 PM PDT by evolved_rage
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To: Travis McGee

"I don't think you'd be laughing, no, not one bit."

Well said, Trav. I can't remember a time in history when I've been more of a freak about stockpiling canned goods, pet supplies, blankets, medical supplies, and gallons and gallons and gallons of water than I have this past year.

I'm predicting at least one big blizzard and one big ice storm up by me this winter. We've already had a 40-million-dollars-in-damage tornado this season...just one town over.

Whiners, whining about any aspect of their lives, only spur me on to action to help keep MY future whining to a minimum. ;)


111 posted on 10/26/2005 1:21:45 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: Travis McGee
What if YOUR power were to go out for one month, how well would YOU do?

Upon describing to him the enormity of the then-looming Y2K Bug disaster-to-be, my father's reply to the incoming TEOTWAKI situation was "OK, I'll just toss another log on the fire and go back to my book."

Upon SHTF situations arriving:
Some are unprepared and will be distraught.
Some are prepared and will cope.
Some live self-sufficiency and will hardly notice a change.

112 posted on 10/26/2005 1:27:48 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: HostileTerritory
The state said "don't worry, we're prepared" and now you're attacking people for believing them.

How many times do people have to see the state go thru the "we're prepared ... oops, sorry, guess we weren't" cycle before they stop relying on the state for things as incredibly simple as a few gallons of water and ice? Why is it socially acceptable (as indicated by the basis for your reasoning) for people to assume the state will provide ANYTHING and EVERYTHING?

Days before it hit, there was plenty of news informing the public that a category 5 hurricane was headed straight for Florida - and these people didn't even bother to get a few gallons of water???

113 posted on 10/26/2005 1:44:52 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Slings and Arrows

Dogs have owners.
Cats have staff.


114 posted on 10/26/2005 1:45:23 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: EagleUSA
It all gets back to local and state governments NOT BEING PREPARED. Maybe someday the people with DEMAND ACCOUNTABILITY from the people that readily demand their tax dollars.

Bullshiite. It is the people not prepared... that demand to be taken care of...

It is called personal responsibility.

I watch the news, and see a lot of well-dressed, clean people standing in line for handouts. hmmmmmmmmm....

115 posted on 10/26/2005 1:48:58 PM PDT by pageonetoo (You'll spot their posts soon enough!)
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To: mlc9852
"This is incredible. I just cannot believe it," said Sanchez, 47. "I've seen this before. Miami officials said they are prepared, but they are not. Everything is a lie. We got all this technology. We've gone to the moon, but they [officials] cannot have their little act together."

Stick a few gallons of water in the freezer. Is that too much to ask? or must a gov't official do that for you?

116 posted on 10/26/2005 2:02:07 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

If TSHTF, we won't be able to say we haven't had plenty of warnings to get ready.


117 posted on 10/26/2005 2:04:07 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: ctdonath2

It will be quite something, to see how our urban beehives will fare during a prolonged grid-down situation.


118 posted on 10/26/2005 2:05:27 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: Travis McGee
Don't smugly laugh at their plight, use it as a lesson for yourself. What if YOUR power were to go out for one month, how well would YOU do?

So in addition to providing the elderly with Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid and lord knows what else, because THEY CHOOSE to live in hurricane country, we're supposed to drop everything because they didn't get extra water delivered at the start of hurricane season? And didn't a couple cases of canned food in the pantry and extra meds? Cripes, Wilma gave everyone TWO EXTRA DAYS to get ready. Earthquakes and tornadoes aren't nearly so curteous.

What I see are people who fought in WWII who have gotten so used to the government taking care of their every need that they have lost the ability to take MODEST steps to care for their own well-being.

119 posted on 10/26/2005 2:09:35 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: dirtboy

I'm not saying any of that. I'm just surprised at the almost gleeful piling on going on here. We're talking about fellow Americans in unfortunate, difficult straits, and lots of freepers seem to be jeering their plight.


120 posted on 10/26/2005 2:13:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: mlc9852

The Governor told the citizens they should get some degree of preparation together. When the real disaster strikes, a lot of the population is going to disappear. Just disappear. Six million without municipal power and they are out of business. How did people get along a century ago?


121 posted on 10/26/2005 2:17:09 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Slings and Arrows
For this one, he'd better bring Aquacat too.

I've got an orange cat and a white cat. I could paint the white cat aqua, I suppose...

122 posted on 10/26/2005 2:19:28 PM PDT by Lady Jag (All I want is a kind word, a warm bed, and unlimited power)
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To: McGavin999
What on earth brought around this childish behavior?

Public education has been a complete success.

123 posted on 10/26/2005 2:20:28 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: Travis McGee
I'm just surprised at the almost gleeful piling on going on here.

I don't think it's gleeful.

I think folks are getting SICK of hearing people who live in hurricane country, who KNOW what the heck can happen, who had FIVE days of warning, whining about being out of food or water all of two days after the event. Heck, if I lived down there, I'd have a generator and at least three weeks worth of water and food, along with extra gas. You can always use all of the extras up after the season is over.

124 posted on 10/26/2005 2:21:21 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: Jaded
They had 1 whole week to prepare.

They should have bought extra water and food back in early June at the latest. You can always used it up after Thanksgiving.

125 posted on 10/26/2005 2:23:27 PM PDT by dirtboy (Drool overflowed my buffer...)
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To: You Dirty Rats

I NOLA they blamed FEMA for not coming in and collecting the corpses fast enough. Where in the world did they get the notion that FEMA was supposed to collect corpses?


126 posted on 10/26/2005 2:29:11 PM PDT by Great Caesars Ghost (The Fault, dear Brutus, lies not in the Stars, but in Our Selves.)
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To: mlc9852
And elderly people who live up high when they are physically unable to traverse stairs aren't too bright, either.

Not everyone gets to be bright you know... And most old people are doing the best they can.

127 posted on 10/26/2005 2:35:56 PM PDT by Great Caesars Ghost (The Fault, dear Brutus, lies not in the Stars, but in Our Selves.)
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To: dirtboy

Better yet, donate it to your local food bank after the season. I remember after Hurricane Andrew, the area we were in was not directly hit so we sent the extra supplies we had bought for hurricane season (including baby diapers because my son was not quite 2 yet) along with relief items that were being collected at the hospital. To those who say they are on a fixed or limited income, it doesn't take a lot to stock up a little at a time during your regular grocery trips (pick up one extra can of something throughout the year) versus having to run out at the last minute and try to gather stuff because you weren't ready.


128 posted on 10/26/2005 2:51:19 PM PDT by blazneyez (Sometimes I feel diagonally parked in a parallel universe...)
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To: ncountylee
Katrina trained malcontents.

I hope the trainers here and elsewhere are happy.

129 posted on 10/26/2005 3:36:27 PM PDT by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: dirtboy

At the beginning of hurricane season every year the National Hurricane Center advises people to prepare THEN for hurricane season. Just like people up north prepare for blizzards. Common sense would go a long way but seems to be in short supply in this country these days.


130 posted on 10/26/2005 4:25:35 PM PDT by mlc9852
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To: Travis McGee

We're not gleefully jeering those who suffer generally beyond their control.
We can't help but get scathingly cynical about those who, having gotten pounded 4 times last year AND got a week's warning this year, couldn't be bothered to stick a few gallons of water in the freezer - and in turn blame [Jeb] Bush et al.


131 posted on 10/26/2005 4:42:28 PM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: EagleUSA

Resources have been very stretched the last two months, just what do people want "The Wizard of Oz".


132 posted on 10/26/2005 5:52:43 PM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: ctdonath2

It was downgraded from a Category 5 to a Category 2 by then. Even when it was a Cat 5, they were saying it was likely to weaken.


133 posted on 10/26/2005 5:56:40 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: martin_fierro

Lemme guess ... It was a 3 Cat hurricane?

*groans from the audience*


134 posted on 10/26/2005 6:12:37 PM PDT by Titan Magroyne (Wet Burqa Contest Winner)
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To: mlc9852

I live in Central NY and am always prepared for bad weather. For one thing, you never know when an ice storm or blizzard will come up and make it IMPOSSIBLE to get around. You can't drive on ice. The other thing is that it's too miserable to be running out for groceries when it's -10 outside. Once winter starts to set in, I make sure we are prepared with plenty of food, and gas for the generator, and an adequate supply of water. If I start doing some of it now, it's not a real burden either financially or physically. I don't understand why people who live in hurricane areas aren't prepared. This happens EVERY YEAR. It's not like it's something new.


135 posted on 10/26/2005 6:58:57 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ctdonath2

Keep in mind the media-generated aspect of this story. The media could show up after a great church picnic, and find a few whiners who would complain about the ants, the burnt chicken, and how the juice ran out early. It will always be so.


136 posted on 10/26/2005 8:58:13 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: McGavin999
AFDC/welfare from LBJ 60's, and Child Support of the 70's, and other FREE programs like FOOD stamp,rent,etc...
What are they spending all these $$$ on ?
Well, we all know now it's not on FOOD & WATER !
In order to collect these numberous benefits all you need to do is
take out the good fathers from the picture, and make him a slave for life, and this is what we get.
137 posted on 10/26/2005 11:21:33 PM PDT by Orlando
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