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So, also, if the government may dictate to the jury what laws they are to enforce, it is no longer a trial by the country,” [*9] but a trial by the government; because the jury then try the accused, not by any standard of their own --- by their own judgments of their rightful liberties --- but by a standard dictated to them by the government. And the standard, thus dictated by the government, becomes the measure of the people’s liberties.

Spooner. Trial by Jury

http://lawcasella.com/spooner/TrialByJury.htm

I'm done arguing with you.


110 posted on 10/28/2005 2:17:47 PM PDT by djf (Government wants the same things I do - MY guns, MY property, MY freedoms!)
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>>>>So, also, if the government may dictate to the jury what laws they are to enforce, it is no longer a trial by the country,” [*9] but a trial by the government; because the jury then try the accused, not by any standard of their own --- by their own judgments of their rightful liberties --- but by a standard dictated to them by the government.

Where have you been? This is our system. The legislature passes the law. The legislature is the one that "dictates" the standards, what is and is not a crime. The Juries then apply that law to the facts, and come up with a decision.

Its been that way for a long time now. Even an 8th grader knows this, as you say.

>>>> And the standard, thus dictated by the government, becomes the measure of the people’s liberties.

Subject to the constitution, yes.

>>>>Spooner. Trial by Jury

Yes, some people argue that the Jury can vote to nullify the law. That has nothing to do with what happened, as here the jury did no such thing. Could the jury have said we will find her innocent because she was tried once before? It could have tried, certianly, and then Spooner would be relevant. It didn't. I see why you are quitting the argument, you have nothing left.

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111 posted on 10/28/2005 2:28:08 PM PDT by patent (A baby is God's opinion that life should go on. Carl Sandburg)
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