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To: Cboldt

Whether WE like it or not, if Specter nixes a judicial nominee, that person WILL be defeated.

McLame, Chaffee, Warner, Collins and Snowe WILL join him.

Result: 49-51 against.

Only the earlier (apparent) "deal" by the President and Frist that kept him in charge of the judiciary committee has kept him on board. Now that Miers has been denied her "up-or-down" vote, he can justifiably make the case that a nominee is not necessarily entitled to a vote.

I wasn't really crazy about Miers, but denying her a vote was a disaster in the making for sometime in the future.


244 posted on 10/31/2005 4:04:23 AM PST by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: AFPhys
I wasn't really crazy about Miers, but denying her a vote was a disaster in the making for sometime in the future.

Miers was not denied an up or down vote. She withdrew. POTUS accepted the withdrawal because she would have LOST the up or down vote.

281 posted on 10/31/2005 4:09:27 AM PST by HapaxLegamenon
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To: AFPhys
"I wasn't really crazy about Miers, but denying her a vote was a disaster in the making for sometime in the future."
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Like to make a bet? The force of conservative movement is much stronger than your weak knead faith. Courage is respected by the American people..a leader who is afraid to fight for his beliefs is no leader at all.
297 posted on 10/31/2005 4:10:58 AM PST by ConsentofGoverned (if a sucker is born every minute, what are the voters?)
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To: AFPhys
I wasn't really crazy about Miers, but denying her a vote was a disaster in the making for sometime in the future.

If Alito is confirmed, will you withdraw your idea that having her pulled was a disaster?

300 posted on 10/31/2005 4:11:17 AM PST by Rodney King (No, we can't all just get along.)
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To: AFPhys

"I wasn't really crazy about Miers, but denying her a vote was a disaster in the making for sometime in the future."

Like putting her on the bench without any qualifications would be any less a disaster???


308 posted on 10/31/2005 4:12:09 AM PST by chris1 ("Make the other guy die for his country" - George S. Patton)
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To: AFPhys

Well, the committee didn't deny her a vote, nor did the Senate. She withdrew. I think Specter would have a hard time with pushing that line.


312 posted on 10/31/2005 4:13:08 AM PST by Miss Marple (Lord, please look after Mozart Lover's son and keep him strong.)
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To: AFPhys
Whether WE like it or not, if Specter nixes a judicial nominee, that person WILL be defeated.

Oh. We have a one-man confirmation/rejection process now, eh?

I don't think so.

McLame, Chaffee, Warner, Collins and Snowe WILL join him. ... Result: 49-51 against.

So be it. If the Senate votes on the nomination, and it goes down, the process will have worked. Hopefully the Senators will be on record regarding their justification, and the people can consider that at the next election.

359 posted on 10/31/2005 4:21:44 AM PST by Cboldt
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To: AFPhys

"I wasn't really crazy about Miers, but denying her a vote was a disaster in the making for sometime in the future."

By that reasoning, Bernard Kerik's withdrawal was a disaster, too. Yet I didn't hear many here claiming that he had been cheated of a vote...

The up or down issue applies to Senate filibusters, not withdrawals. The latter happen all the time, and are perfectly appropriate.


449 posted on 10/31/2005 4:35:48 AM PST by ellery (The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts. - Edmund Burke)
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To: AFPhys

I wasn't really crazy about Miers, but denying her a vote was a disaster in the making for sometime in the future.

@@@@@@

What bothered me the most was the exposure of "principled" conservatives that they are as near-sighted as "pure-politics-no-principles" democrats. Our side always castigated the left for not wanting the Advise and Consent process to proceed. As I see the future, standing on that principle is gone forever. I guess I am more sad than any other emotion at the revelation of the hypocrisy and shortsightedness.


We have reduced all nominees to a fight over their political leanings. As Mark Steyn said, we are getting a system of rule by nine parliamentarians. I do not think we will like who gets on the court in the future, when libs are in the driver's seat. We have given up what little leverage over their picks that I thought we had.


472 posted on 10/31/2005 4:40:29 AM PST by maica (We are fighting the War for the Free World --Frank Gaffney)
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To: AFPhys

"Whether WE like it or not, if Specter nixes a judicial nominee, that person WILL be defeated."

Both Specter and Alito have Yale in their blood. Specter will vote for him.


593 posted on 10/31/2005 5:01:25 AM PST by takbodan (.)
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To: AFPhys
Whether WE like it or not, if Specter nixes a judicial nominee, that person WILL be defeated.

McLame, Chaffee, Warner, Collins and Snowe WILL join him.

The conservative pressure this time may be too much for these mushy guys after they weigh the pros and cons. There weak spines bend in two ways.

1,569 posted on 10/31/2005 9:45:22 AM PST by demlosers
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To: AFPhys

get a grip. She wasn't denied an up or down vote. She was withdrawn (officially withdrew herself) becuase the base of the president's party demanded someone better.

That is nowhere near the same as fillibustering a nominee in the senate. Stop being intellectually dishonest.


1,610 posted on 10/31/2005 10:22:02 AM PST by flashbunny (Ask yourself why some posters here use the term "uber conservative" like it's some kind of slur.)
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