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College Bans Dormitory Bible Studies
NewsMax ^ | 2 Nov 05 | NewsMax

Posted on 11/02/2005 11:47:38 AM PST by NavVet

In a shameful attack on freedom of religion, the University of Wisconsin–Eau Claire (UWEC) has banned resident assistants (RAs) from leading Bible studies in their own dormitories.

The university claims the ban is necessary because some students might not feel RAs who lead Bible studies are "approachable.”

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: antichristian; biblestudy; bigots; christian; christianstudents; christophobia; discrimination; firstamendment; freedomofspeech; highereducation; leftismoncampus; religon
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To: NavVet

I would bet if an RA hosted a party at his dorm, and the guys watched a little porn, the University would not say a word...


101 posted on 11/02/2005 12:37:22 PM PST by I'm ALL Right! (WWW.ENDOFTHESPEAR.COM - A True Story. In theaters Jan 20, 2006. Click my profile.)
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To: IrishRainy

"They DO have days off, however, so conceivably they could have Bible study at those times, right? Or is the University is saying they can regulate the activities of an employee's day OFF? "

Well, the University owns the dormitories, too, so I suppose they could argue from that perspective as well.

The RAs job in a dorm is to be there to assist the residents, usually on a single floor or some other limited part of the dorm. Sometimes that assistance is personal, helping residents get assistance with psychological or other personal problems by referring them to appropriate facilities on campus.

I believe what the University is doing here is trying to make sure that, within the dorm where the RA is the RA, no student will feel that their otherwise legal behavior might be judged negatively by the RA. For example, if the RA is opposed, on religious grounds to homosexuality, a homosexual resident who knew that might not feel comfortable seeking advice...part of the RAs job.

Is the University right? I don't think so. The headline for this story sure wasn't right though.


102 posted on 11/02/2005 12:38:11 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: MineralMan
Yep. They're employees.

Do they get W-2s?

ML/NJ

103 posted on 11/02/2005 12:38:44 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: IrishRainy
They DO have days off, however

When they're in the dorm, they're on duty. When they're outside the dorm, they're not bound by this rule.

104 posted on 11/02/2005 12:41:06 PM PST by ReignOfError
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To: MineralMan

I understand UW's position, but I would argue that universities have bigger problems than RA's introducing Christianity to college students.


105 posted on 11/02/2005 12:42:39 PM PST by jude24 ("Stupid" isn't illegal - but it should be.)
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To: conserv13
"Being an RA you have to have a relationship with all the other students."

I'm guess that a pink triangle displaying, gay rights leading RA would be OK with these people. Just not a Bible study leading one.
There's no other way to say it, it's outrageous.
106 posted on 11/02/2005 12:42:59 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Never bring a knife to a gun fight, or a Democrat to do serious work...)
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To: little jeremiah

I don't believe an R.A. would be allowed to do anything like this, no.


107 posted on 11/02/2005 12:45:43 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: jude24

"but I would argue that universities have bigger problems than RA's introducing Christianity to college students.
"

It's not a zero sum thing. Each problem has its solution. Working on one does not mean not working on the others.

Again, I'm not opposed to these RAs holding Bible Studies in their dorms. Whatever their religious beliefs, they should be free to practice them and share them. I would hold the same opinion, no matter what their beliefs were.

I am opposed to New Smacks when it publishes misleading headlines. You may note that was my objection in the first place.


108 posted on 11/02/2005 12:47:25 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: Unam Sanctam

Be disgusted all you want, thrash the straw men to bits, the point is that R.A.s are there to become a trusted advisor to students in issues dealing with sex and alcohol and depression. Many believing Christians can do that job excellently, even recognizing that their students will not be Christians in the same way they are, and helping them with birth control and safe sex.

A Christian who decides he needs to be leading some students in Bible Studies risks driving away students who need an R.A. for the reasons listed above. Being an R.A. is a job that involves being part of the world and accepting it for its flaws, not one that involves turning your back on sinners and nonbelievers until they accept it on your terms. You seem to want to do away with R.A.s unless they fit your ideal. I trust the colleges to know best what students need.


109 posted on 11/02/2005 12:49:12 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: bahblahbah

If an R.A. is having gay sex with his students he should most definitely be fired.


110 posted on 11/02/2005 12:49:51 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: MineralMan

But it's ok to sexile your Christian room mate while you have sex with your boyfriend in the dormitory.


111 posted on 11/02/2005 12:50:07 PM PST by ArtyFO (I love to smoke cigars when I adjust artillery fire.)
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To: I'm ALL Right!
I would bet if an RA hosted a party at his dorm, and the guys watched a little porn, the University would not say a word...

This is where I totally disagree. Any girl in the dorm could write him up and he'd be out on his ass in a minute. R.A.s must be hypersensitive to anything bordering sexual harassment, and if the R.A. gets a reputation of watching porn with the guys, no girl's going to go to him with his problems.
112 posted on 11/02/2005 12:51:10 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: Mark17
What a stupid reason, but you are right. If it had been an Islamic study, no one would say anything.

And if they did, it would be a national news story until the federal govt make it illegal to criticize Islam.
113 posted on 11/02/2005 12:52:02 PM PST by smith288 (Peace at all cost makes for tyranny free of charge...)
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To: ArtyFO

"But it's ok to sexile your Christian room mate while you have sex with your boyfriend in the dormitory."

Huh? Did I say anything about that? Back in the early 60s, when I went to college, we weren't allowed to have women in our dorm rooms, so there was no sex going on there, except perhaps some solitary activity, and most guys kept that pretty private.

So, I have no idea what you're talking about. I certainly said nothing of the sort.


114 posted on 11/02/2005 12:52:52 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: HostileTerritory

Well, in the CA university system, since it's okay for students to make porn and show it on the university TV station, I would assume it's okay to view it in the dorms.


115 posted on 11/02/2005 12:55:10 PM PST by little jeremiah
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To: HostileTerritory
There is no way the college would allow an R.A. to sponsor a porn showing.

You would hope so, but you would be wrong with respect to USCD

116 posted on 11/02/2005 1:00:13 PM PST by fml
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To: little jeremiah

"Well, in the CA university system, since it's okay for students to make porn and show it on the university TV station, I would assume it's okay to view it in the dorms."

I'm sure it is. Most college students are over the age of 18, have televisions and computers, and are capable of deciding for themselves what they view.

Since pornography, in general, is not illegal, then I can't see how the University could ban it. Given the penchant most young men have for viewing porn, I'd guess that at least half the TVs and computers in the lighted windows of any dorm after about 10PM have porn running.

I would assume that the RA would shut this off if someone came to his/her room with a problem. Any reasonable person would do so. If he/she did not, then there would be a problem there. Forcing another to watch porn when your job is to help them would probably lead to dismissal.

Believe me, RAs get dismissed all the time, and for a lot of reasons. It's a thankless job, and for little compensation.


117 posted on 11/02/2005 1:00:16 PM PST by MineralMan (godless atheist)
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To: frogjerk
I don't think being an RA forfeits your constitutional rights.

It doesn't. But I worked for a public university. No one cared what I did "off-campus", but my office was considered a public space. For instance, I really would have thought it inappropriate to hang a crucifix there.

But, as I said, the issue never came up. And there were many devout Jewish students there.

118 posted on 11/02/2005 1:00:33 PM PST by blaise
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To: fml

What R.A. is involved with that? That's my point. I'm not saying "the college won't allow it", I'm saying that R.A.s have a very delicate position in undergraduate dorms and they are held to strict standards.


119 posted on 11/02/2005 1:01:23 PM PST by HostileTerritory
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To: NavVet
UW State Colleges are bastions of Marxism funded by tax payers dollars...

Wonder when Campus Crusade for Christ or Coalition of Christian Athletes will be thrown off campus..

Naturally the gay and lesbian student alliance will remain fully funded and approved of.

120 posted on 11/02/2005 1:07:28 PM PST by joesnuffy
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