Posted on 11/03/2005 12:23:12 AM PST by Southack
I don't think that they want half of France any more than they want half of Israel. I don't see the French putting up the kind of cultural resistance that will help them endure decades of assault. The whole of France will be an Islamic caliphate well within most of our lifetimes.
I am anything but an apologist for the muslims, but where in this report did it say muslims in France were killing chistians. Large numbers of illegal Mexicans have, however, committed crimes including murder and have formed gangs like the muslims in France. There are significant numbers of elected officials in the US who have instituted programs and actions in connection with Mexicans which mirror which mirror the appeasement of the muslims by the French government.
from the Bloomberg version of the same story:
"Among 20- to 24-year-olds living in French suburbs whose residents are predominantly Muslim, the jobless rate during the 1999 census was 37.2 percent for men, compared with the national average of 22.5 percent, and 39.5 percent for women, compared with 28.4 percent. The figures come from a 2003 report for the prime minister by the High Council for Integration."
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wow....that's a lot of unemployed young adults....in the suburbs, and, in the whole nation.....
of course, we don't know how these statistics are generated....by actually questioning each person (do you have a job?)....is there any verification of answers?....is this statistic generated backwards? ie: we have x number of workers vs y number of people = this % unemployed.....
but, however its created, the statistic is alarming.....
and it begs the question, why? why are there so many unemployed? is it because the government has generous support programs? that make it ok to not work? or what?
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another comment....these "rioters" are now called "gangs".....and they are armed with molotov cocktails and some guns....and 7 consecutive nights of rioting, now involving 20 neighborhoods....when do we call this an armed insurrection? and when do we call the participants "insurgents".....do we wait until they start placing "improvized explosive devices" and blowing up police vehicles?
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French Police, Gangs Clash for 7th Night; Shots Fired (Update1)
Nov. 3 (Bloomberg) -- Gangs of youths destroyed 177 cars and fired four shots at police in 20 Paris suburbs in a seventh night of violence that presents a growing challenge for the government of Prime Minister Dominique de Villepin.
In Aulnay-sous-Bois, northeast of Paris, youths tried to set a police station on fire, a city hall spokesman said. They burned a Renault SA showroom, after torching a car rental business the night before, he said. Garbage containers were set on fire and bus shelters were destroyed, he said. Bullets fired at police in three locations in the Seine-Saint-Denis department didn't cause injuries, its prefect Jean-Francois Cordet told reporters.
The violence reflects tensions in French ghettos marked by youth unemployment of more than 20 percent, poverty and large immigrant Muslim communities in the majority Catholic nation. The riots also show the difficulties faced by many European nations in integrating immigrants.
``The sentiment of injustice, of exclusion is latent because the deep problems haven't been solved,'' said Laurent Mucchielli, director of the Center for Sociological Research on Law and Penal Institutions at Guyancourt, near Paris. ``The deep problem is the feeling of exclusion from the social and economic game. The riots are of the same nature as in past years, showing us that the problems haven't been solved.''
Electrocution
The latest riots erupted after two boys, aged 15 and 19, one of Tunisian origin, the other from sub-Saharan Africa, were electrocuted on Oct. 27 by high-voltage equipment in an electricity substation, where they took refuge because they were being pursued by police, their families said. The police denied there was any pursuit.
Police plan to deploy an extra 1,300 officers tonight in Seine-Saint-Denis for a possible eighth night of violence after nine people, including four policemen and two firefighters, were hurt last night, Cordet, the chief government official in the department, said.
Two bullets were fired at police in the suburb of La Courneuve, one in Noisy-le-Sec and the fourth in Saint Denis, the prefect said at the press briefing.
Calls for calm by President Jacques Chirac yesterday were ignored. Chirac gave de Villepin a month to report on measures to integrate ethnic minorities and promote equal opportunity. He also called for a plan to crack down on youth gangs. De Villepin told parliament that 180 vehicles were destroyed up to yesterday, making for nearly 360 including last night's tally.
Action Plan
De Villepin is holding two meetings today with relevant ministers on his action plan for the troubled areas, his office said in a statement.
More than 28,000 cars and 17,500 trash bins have been torched in France so far this year, Le Monde reported, citing the Renseignements Generaux, the French police intelligence service.
``I should like to relay the appeal for calm made by the head of state,'' Cordet said. ``This call has been heard in Clichy and Montfermeil,'' another Paris suburb which was reported to be calm last night, ``now it must be heard in the other districts.''
Underlining the gravity of the situation, de Villepin told lawmakers yesterday he had postponed a visit to Canada. Interior Minister Nicolas Sarkozy canceled a three-day trip to Afghanistan and Pakistan due to start on Nov. 6, the Interior Ministry said.
A series of violent protests have occurred in France, mainly in areas marked by high youth unemployment, poverty and large Muslim communities since the first serious incidents in 1981.
Similar tensions have risen elsewhere in Europe. In the Netherlands, the murder a year ago yesterday of Dutch filmmaker Theo van Gogh, has widened the gap between religious communities and inflamed tensions, a survey showed. Van Gogh, 47, made a movie critical of Islam.
Integrating Immigrants
Joblessness in France is 22.2 percent for men under 25 years old, compared with 7.8 percent for men aged 25 to 49, according to the Labor Ministry. France doesn't include ethnicity in its census nor does it publish poverty or unemployment statistics based on ethnicity or religion.
Among 20- to 24-year-olds living in French suburbs whose residents are predominantly Muslim, the jobless rate during the 1999 census was 37.2 percent for men, compared with the national average of 22.5 percent, and 39.5 percent for women, compared with 28.4 percent. The figures come from a 2003 report for the prime minister by the High Council for Integration.
Beginning just after World War II, France allowed in hundreds of thousands of manual laborers from Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia. They settled mostly in housing projects outside Paris, Lyon, Marseille and other large cities. France's population of immigrants more than doubled from 1946 to 1999.
They don't have a sense of "nationality". They have a sense of "religious identity" and that serves as their nationality.
Until their adopted countries adopt Islam, Muslims will not be "loyal" to them.
No matter how mad at the police I was, I would not burn down my own neighborhood.
And Chirac, for supposedly being a "right wing" President, sure isn't acting like one. Of course he's labeled that way by the same media that thinks Bush41 and Bush43 are "right wing."
See how flopping like a jellyfish in the face of islamic terrorism has paid off handsomely for the French? Pretending to be the terrorists' best European friend has really worked out, hasn't it?
"Observers are pointing to France's failure to address deep problems of poverty and immigration, including tensions with its Muslim minority."
There is no excuse for this behavior. NONE. God, how I hate the spin on this!
The "observers" can mange le merde.
"The chickens come home to roost" in France. The City of Lights is now lit up..My only question is when the French will formally surrendert.
What is France doing, if anything, to secure its nuclear sites?
Deport, detain, and if necessary, defenestrate. They may then long to return to their jihadistans..
As you sow, so shall ye reap.
Let them settle in Antarctica..
Chamberlain with cheese..
Is that Alec Baldwin illuminated there in the background? Uh... no.... wait.... he didn't leave for Paris yet, did he....
"Somewhere within these mobs, France's 'Abu Musab al Zarqawi' is coming to power"
Brilliant analogy bump!!
Everyone in France with half a brain knows whats going on.They don't need the papers to tell them.The French will blame and blame but they will lose.This deep poverty thing is a load of crap.How impoverhed can one be in Paris as oposed to Tangiers or Casablanca.
I'd vote for that.
He is stiil in the US, shouting "I can have sex with animals if I want to!"
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