Been there, done that.
Posted on 11/09/2005 10:57:31 AM PST by aculeus
Been there, done that.
I believe you, doc. But one thing about this argument stumps me; namely, why would it take a small amount of energy? Maybe it could be done, but take much more energy than you could ever get out of the system? (Note I don't believe this for a second, but it seems like an obvious comeback for a person who does.)
Wasnt there a comedy (movie) that had a tree in it that did this very thing from the 60s?
If you don't believe in anti-gravity machines, Mr. Park, then how do you explain the Goodyear blimp?
"Gravity is a myth. The Earth sucks."
It's not just Earth. Everything that has mass sucks.
I've never understood the arguments about the impossibility of anti-gravity technology. If gravity is merely an effect of warping space-time, as modern physics suggests, and if gravity is the weakest of the physical forces, then why is the concept of generating an OPPOSING field so alien to physicists? Admittedly, we don't completely understand the process by which mass warps space, but there's no reason at this point to believe that technology cannot recreate the same kind of warping. If you create a localized gravitational warp within a much larger planetary gravitational warp, all kinds of interesting things may be possible.
Mike
Hi, PF... I Googled around a little bit, but didn't find any clear explanations. I suspect it might be touted for the same reason a lot of "antigravity" devices are: someone confusing electromagnetic repulsive forces for antigravity. A rocket isn't an antigravity device, nor an elevator, nor a table top, etc.
Nobody will know until someone actually invents one. If dropping an object can generate more energy than it takes to lift it, you'll have a perpetual motion machine, but like you I don't see any reason why people should assume this to be the case. Technologically, it's far more likely that the anti-gravity machine will consume MORE energy, and that using it will be at an energy loss.
That DOESN'T mean the technology would be useless. All kinds of technologies, from spacecraft to aircraft, could make use of an all electric propulsion system based on this type of tech.
Oh, but we do have that. It's called a lever.
I once had a globe from Hammacher Schlemmer that floated on air.
OK, so Boris is a semi - genius physicist that works for John Deere (?). Doesn't change the fact that everything that has mass sucks. Or does it?
"NO Chris, if you sail west you will fall off the earth!!
Yes, but does anti gravity mean "no Gavity" or just reduced gravity ? It seems to me that you could have some amount of anti gravity without any means to produce perpetual motion.
This being due to a large amount of energy being required to produce a small amount of anti-gravity.
"Big Tire" put a stop to that.
Here is one story on the net.
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A friend said, he would never forget the sight of the alien looking TR-3B based at Papoose. The pitch black, triangular shaped TR-3B was rarely mentioned--and then, only in hushed whispers--at the Groom Lake facility where he worked. The craft had flown over the Groom Lake runway in complete silence and magically stopped above Area S-4. It hovered silently in the same position, for some 10 minutes, before gently settling vertically to the tarmac. At times a corona of silver blue light glowed around the circumference of the massive TR-3B. The operational model is 600 feet across.
The TR-3B is Code named Astra.
The tactical reconnaissance TR-3B first operational flight was in the early 90s. The triangular shaped nuclear powered aerospace platform was developed under the Top Secret, Aurora Program with SDI and black budget monies. At least 3 of the billion dollar plus TR-3Bs were flying by 1994. The Aurora is the most classified aerospace development program in existence. The TR-3B is the most exotic vehicle created by the Aurora Program. It is funded and operationally tasked by the National Reconnaissance Office, the NSA, and the CIA. The TR-3B flying triangle is not fiction and was built with technology available in the mid 80s.Not every UFO spotted is one of theirs.
The TR-3B vehicle’s outer coating is reactive to electricalRadar stimulation and can change reflectiveness, radar absorptiveness,and color. This polymer skin, when used in conjunction with the TR-3Bs Electronic Counter Measures and, ECCM, can make the vehicle look like a small aircraft, or a flying cylinder--or even trick radar receivers into falsely detecting a variety of aircraft, no aircraft, or several aircraft at various locations.A circular, plasma filled accelerator ring called the Magnetic Field Disrupter, surrounds the rotatable crew
compartment and is far ahead of any imaginable technology.
Sandia and Livermore laboratories developed the reverse
engineered MFD technology. The government will go to any lengths to protect this technology. The plasma, mercury based, is pressurized at 250,000 atmospheres at a temperature of 150 degrees Kelvin and accelerated to 50,000 rpm to create a super-conductive plasma with the resulting gravity disruption. The MFD generates a magnetic vortex field, which disrupts or neutralizes the effects of gravity on mass within proximity, by 89 percent. Do not misunderstand. This is not antigravity. Anti-gravity provides a repulsive force that can be used for propulsion. The MFD creates a disruption of the Earth's gravitational field upon the mass within the circular accelerator. The mass of the circular accelerator and all mass within the accelerator, such as the crew capsule, avionics, MFD systems, fuels, crew environmental systems, and the nuclear reactor, are reduced by 89%.This causes the effect of making the vehicle extremely light and able to outperform and outmaneuver any craft yet constructed--except, of course, those UFOs we did not build.
The TR-3B is a high altitude, stealth, reconnaissance platform with an indefinite loiter time. Once you get it up there at speed, it doesn’t take much propulsion to maintain altitude.At Groom Lake their have been whispered rumours of a new element that acts as a catalyst to the plasma.With the vehicle mass reduced by 89%, the craft can travel at Mach 9, vertically or horizontally. My sources say the performance is limited only the stresses that the human pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along with the 89% reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by 89%.
The TR-3Bs propulsion is provided by 3 multimode thrusters mounted at each bottom corner of the triangular platform. The TR-3 is a sub-Mach 9 vehicle until it reaches altitudes above l20,000 feet--then God knows how fast it can go!The 3 multimode rocket engines mounted under each corner of the craft use hydrogen or methane and oxygen as a propellent.In a liquid oxygen/hydrogen rocket system, 85% of the propellent mass is oxygen. The nuclear thermal rocket engine uses a hydrogen propellent, augmented with oxygen for additional thrust. The reactor heats the liquid hydrogen and injects liquid oxygen in the supersonic nozzle, so that the hydrogen burns concurrently in the liquid oxygen afterburner.The multimode propulsion system can; operate in the atmosphere, with thrust provided by the nuclear reactor, in the upper atmosphere, with hydrogen propulsion, and in orbit, with the combined hydrogen\ oxygen propulsion.
What you have to remember is, that the 3 rocket engines only have to propel 11 percent of the mass of the Top Secret TR-3B. The engines are reportedly built by Rockwell.Many sightings of triangular UFOs are not alien vehicles but the top secret TR-3B. The NSA, NRO, CIA, and USAF have been playing a shell game with aircraft nomenclature - creating the TR-3, modified to the TR-3A, the TR-3B, and the Teir 2, 3, and 4, with suffixes like Plus or Minus added on to confuse further the fact that each of these designators is a different aircraft and not the same aerospace vehicle. A TR-3B is as different from a TR-3A as a banana is from a grape. Some of these vehicles are manned and others are unmanned
Nobody has patented the bra yet?
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