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Pat Robertson has a message for Dover, PA: Don't ask God to help.
WGAL.com ^ | 11.10.05 | WGAL

Posted on 11/10/2005 1:33:57 PM PST by conserv13

DOVER, Pa. -- Pat Robertson had a special message for residents of Dover, Pa., today after voters there elected to boot the current school board, which instituted an intelligent design policy that led to a federal trial.

Robertson made the comment after Lee Webb of CBN News delivered a report on how residents in Dover voted in eight new Democratic board members, replacing all eight current members who had voted for a policy that required students in ninth-grade biology classes to hear a statement on intelligent design before hearing lessons on evolution. Webb then asked Robertson what he thought about the vote.

Here was Robertson's response.

"I'd like to say to the good citizens of Dover: If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city. And don't wonder why he hasn't helped you when problems begin, if they begin. I'm not saying they will, but if they do, just remember, you just voted God out of your city. And if that's the case, don't ask for his help because he might not be there."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: angrygod; crevolist; dover; intelligentdesign; ispatoffhismeds; patrobertson; patsfullofhotgas
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I think he's nuts.
1 posted on 11/10/2005 1:33:59 PM PST by conserv13
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To: conserv13

He's my kind of nut.


2 posted on 11/10/2005 1:35:22 PM PST by job ("God is not dead nor doth He sleep")
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To: conserv13

Pat robertson has become like france: I don't really give a damn what either of them think.


3 posted on 11/10/2005 1:35:41 PM PST by flashbunny (Tag line down for routine maintenance.)
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To: conserv13
Oh Pat, would you please be quiet!

Your speaking for Him is far worse then anything they did.

4 posted on 11/10/2005 1:36:16 PM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear (Not all problems can be solved with a sledge hammer. Sometimes nitroglycerin is required. Or a Nuke)
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To: conserv13
I think he's nuts.

I wish he would stop speaking for Christians in this country - he's an embarrassment.

5 posted on 11/10/2005 1:37:14 PM PST by blaise
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To: conserv13

Pat's God is a vengeful ninth-grader.


6 posted on 11/10/2005 1:37:38 PM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: conserv13

I think he's right on. Somehow we think we can spit in God's eye and then turn around and ask His help when we need it.


7 posted on 11/10/2005 1:37:39 PM PST by queenkathy (My idea of rebooting is kicking somebody in the butt twice)
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To: conserv13

A strange man. Harmless, but strange.........


8 posted on 11/10/2005 1:38:34 PM PST by Red Badger (Whatever happened to formulas 1 through 408?.........)
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To: conserv13; PatrickHenry; Junior; balrog666; VadeRetro

Pour l'amusement...


9 posted on 11/10/2005 1:39:23 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: blaise

Totally.....Pat keeps sticking his bible in his mouth... for such a Christian man...he would be well advised to let God speak for him....or hire a PR person for crying out loud.....


10 posted on 11/10/2005 1:39:27 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: conserv13

Why doesn't Pat just give God a hand and send a hurricane to destroy Dover, PA? After all, during his farce of a presidential campaign, he claimed to have diverted one.


11 posted on 11/10/2005 1:40:36 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: conserv13

He speaks out of his own vanity. I would NEVER presume to speak for the Lord.


12 posted on 11/10/2005 1:41:59 PM PST by Pan_Yans Wife ("Death is better, a milder fate than tyranny. "--Aeschylus)
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To: queenkathy



I agree. We can't continue to reject God.


13 posted on 11/10/2005 1:42:09 PM PST by SouthernFreebird
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To: conserv13

Pat needs to consider monasticism.


14 posted on 11/10/2005 1:42:43 PM PST by JmyBryan
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To: conserv13

I cannot speak for God but Robertson just may be correct here.


15 posted on 11/10/2005 1:43:49 PM PST by teletech (Friends don't let friends vote DemocRAT)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

Pat Robertson's a good guy. But he's getting old ...


16 posted on 11/10/2005 1:44:19 PM PST by PatrickHenry (Expect no response if you're a troll, lunatic, retard, or incurable ignoramus.)
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To: conserv13

Robertson has a 24 hr time lapse delay. He retracts most of his statements a day afterwards.


17 posted on 11/10/2005 1:44:30 PM PST by bigsigh
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; ohioWfan; Tribune7; Tolkien; GrandEagle; Right in Wisconsin; Dataman; ..
Pat is obviously speaking more and more for himself lately.
Me thinks...a clarification statement will be issued.


Revelation 4:11Intelligent Design
See my profile for info

18 posted on 11/10/2005 1:45:43 PM PST by wallcrawlr (http://www.bionicear.com)
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To: conserv13

Too bad Crazy Pat couldn't speak in a similarly harsh way about the Chinese forced one child policy. Oh wait, money for Pat was involved in that issue. Never mind.


http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/134/33.0.html


19 posted on 11/10/2005 1:46:41 PM PST by Cecily
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To: PatrickHenry
"If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God, you just rejected him from your city."

Good thing this ID biz isn't about religion or anything...

20 posted on 11/10/2005 1:46:49 PM PST by Senator Bedfellow
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To: JmyBryan

He's married. :)


21 posted on 11/10/2005 1:47:24 PM PST by kalee
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To: conserv13
Well, God does send disaster at times to wake people up.

Ever heard of "an act of God"?

22 posted on 11/10/2005 1:48:46 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: conserv13
Clemenza to Pat Robertson:


23 posted on 11/10/2005 1:49:08 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: JmyBryan

And he has a ton of money, so he doesn't quite meet the criteria in the poverty and chastity departments.


24 posted on 11/10/2005 1:49:31 PM PST by kalee
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To: NorCalRepub

Methinks Pat has the same "handlers" as Tom Cruise.


25 posted on 11/10/2005 1:49:59 PM PST by Clemenza (In League with the Freemasons, The Bilderbergers, and the Learned Elders of Zion)
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To: job
Me too....but the Christian-haters will always show up to bash Robertson, Dobson, Franklin, etc....

There was a day when you would NEVER see that on FR....but times have changed.

26 posted on 11/10/2005 1:52:07 PM PST by yellowdoghunter (Liberals should be seen and not heard.)
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To: queenkathy

I agree also,
The bible has many cases of when people reject God and suffer the consequences.

I crack up when people want to make Gods will a one way street. All good no bad.

Go Pat!


27 posted on 11/10/2005 1:54:02 PM PST by NormB (Yes, but watch your cookies!!)
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To: queenkathy

yes, but the difference is that Pat is lumping the city into one collective soul, saying that because the majority of citizens voted against God, that God wouldn't listen to the community.

I remember a certain story in a certain Book where God says He'll spare an entire wicked city, even if there are only a handfull of good people in it.

I normally don't agree with Robertson and wish he'd shut up most of the time. His point here is not completely unfounded, just the way he generalized his statement. I agree that we shouldn't turn our backs on God and then ask His help when the time comes. Essentially, we shouldn't be fairweather followers. But by the same token, I know God won't turn a blind eye to an entire people because the majority rules.


28 posted on 11/10/2005 1:54:10 PM PST by Zeppelin (Stop Global Warming. Shut a Liberal's Mouth.)
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
Absolutely.

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by [his] Son."

My Lord, Jesus Christ, Man and God, the Messiah of prophecy, lived a perfect life and died on the cross for the people of Dover, Pennsylvania, and for all sinners, including me. Having done that, does He need to have the Father send a disaster over a political issue?

We do want to see an end to inquity; like Isaiah, we say "Oh that thou wouldest rend the heavens, that thou wouldest come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence," but He has done so. Furthermore, He has promised that He will be with us, even to the end of the age.

Yes, there is a judgment coming over the world, but it will be over disbelief in Christ, not intelligent design. The two concepts are only very tenuously related. Mr. Robertson--the coming segment will be for the entire world, to end this age. Speak to that. Speak to the redemptive work of the Cross. Pray for the lost who do not know Jesus as the Christ, Lord, and Savior. Not this, sir.
29 posted on 11/10/2005 1:54:51 PM PST by GAB-1955 (Proudly confusing editors and readers since 1981!)
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To: Clemenza

and I thought God spoke to both of them directly....


30 posted on 11/10/2005 1:55:06 PM PST by NorCalRepub
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To: Siena Dreaming
Ever heard of "an act of God"?

I think that is just a saying, so that people can explain the unexplainable, or so that insurance companies can get out of paying a claim.

I do not believe that God controls the weather.

31 posted on 11/10/2005 1:55:50 PM PST by conserv13
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To: conserv13

Incredibly petty of Robertson. It's a shame he calls himself a Christian. I'd be much happier if he pretended to represent Islam and embarrassed Muslims on TV instead of Christians.


32 posted on 11/10/2005 1:56:09 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: conserv13
I do not believe that God controls the weather.

God is in control of everything.

33 posted on 11/10/2005 1:57:56 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming
God is in control of everything.

I am not sure I believe that either. Does God control your every action or do you have free will?

34 posted on 11/10/2005 1:59:08 PM PST by conserv13
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To: queenkathy
Somehow we think we can spit in God's eye and then turn around and ask His help when we need it.

Teaching science is spitting in God's eye? Your god is not my God, apparently.

35 posted on 11/10/2005 1:59:47 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: conserv13
Let's put it this way. He allow people some free will because of his love.

But weather doesn't have free will. He will use it to get attention if that's what it takes to shake people up if needed.

36 posted on 11/10/2005 2:01:18 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: conserv13
I've expressed some pointed, critical thoughts about PR on my blog.

You think he's nuts.

Is he wrong?

How do you know? What's your basis?

Dan
Biblical Christianity BLOG

37 posted on 11/10/2005 2:01:20 PM PST by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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To: conserv13

Amusingly, Robertson's comments were just played on the four o'clock news.


38 posted on 11/10/2005 2:03:13 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Siena Dreaming
But weather doesn't have free will. He will use it to get attention if that's what it takes to shake people up if needed.

I respect your opinion there but I don't share it.

39 posted on 11/10/2005 2:04:38 PM PST by conserv13
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To: BibChr

I can't say that he is wrong. He believes what he believes, and I believe what I believe. I think what he believes is crazy, and he would probably say the same about me. : )


40 posted on 11/10/2005 2:06:00 PM PST by conserv13
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To: conserv13
Well, if you're a reader of the Bible, you'll see that God used drought, famine, war etc. to get people's attention.

God is still the God of the Bible.

41 posted on 11/10/2005 2:06:28 PM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: queenkathy

I don't see anything illogical about Pat Robertson's commment.

If God is out, He's out and any public invocation, in event of tragedy or peril in Dover, should logically cite another source of solace. "The brotherhood of man" perhaps.


42 posted on 11/10/2005 2:07:25 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: conserv13

Psalm 147 disputes that.


43 posted on 11/10/2005 2:08:24 PM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: Siena Dreaming
I understand that, I don't believe in the Bible. I think its just a bunch of fairy tales. That is just what I think though, I don't mean to belittle other peoples beliefs.

Maybe when I say he's 'nuts' I am belittling his or your beliefs and I did not mean it that way.

44 posted on 11/10/2005 2:09:13 PM PST by conserv13
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To: yellowdoghunter
but the Christian-haters will always show up to bash Robertson, Dobson, Franklin, etc....

Hate Christians? Not a chance in this world. But comment about these guys when they say really stupid stuff like this? Yes.

There was a day when you would NEVER see that on FR....but times have changed.

Flapdoodle.

45 posted on 11/10/2005 2:09:29 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: conserv13
Probably a statement of frustration over people's spiritual blindness. The good news is when the Sons of God appear, with the seven fold anointing of the Holy Spirit. They will heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out devils, WITHOUT FAIL. Then the final call will be made to humanity to accept or reject His Kingdom. Those who accept will be blessed, and those who reject will be subject to real biblical wrath as described in Revelations. But until they are revealed, man's fallen condition, with all its effects, will continue to afflict mankind.
46 posted on 11/10/2005 2:10:18 PM PST by HisKingdomWillAbolishSinDeath (My Homeland Security: Isaiah 54:17 No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper)
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To: conserv13

Wasn't Pat Robertson one of the traitors who said that America DESERVED 9/11?


47 posted on 11/10/2005 2:11:30 PM PST by LibKill (Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Siena Dreaming
But weather doesn't have free will. He will use it to get attention if that's what it takes to shake people up if needed.

Sorry. Don't buy it.

48 posted on 11/10/2005 2:12:28 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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To: conserv13

>"If there is a disaster in your area, don't turn to God..."


This is, in fact, ALWAYS good advice. When there's a disaster... FIX YOUR PROBLEMS! Do not turn to help from gods or governments. You probably won't get it. Cultivate the ability to deal with the real world without calling for help all the time.


49 posted on 11/10/2005 2:13:55 PM PST by orionblamblam ("You're the poster boy for what ID would turn out if it were taught in our schools." VadeRetro)
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To: orionblamblam

And be prepared. :-)


50 posted on 11/10/2005 2:14:39 PM PST by RadioAstronomer (Senior member of Darwin Central)
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