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Senate Bill Offers Aid and Comfort to US Enemies
Sierra Times ^ | 11/12/2005 | Jim Kouri, CPP

Posted on 11/12/2005 5:50:03 AM PST by FerdieMurphy

This past Thursday, US Senate Republicans voted to bar terror suspects being held at the Guantanamo Bay, Cuba military detention center from challenging their detentions in US federal courts.

The bill proposal is a result of a Supreme Court 5-4 ruling last year that gave terrorists access to American courts even though they are terrorists or enemy combatants captured during the global war on terrorism.

With the Senate's 49-42 vote, the provision written by Senator Lindsey Graham, a Republican, was added to the military budget bill.

On the floor of the Senate, Sen. Graham said, "For 200 years, ladies and gentlemen, in the law of armed conflict, no nation has given an enemy combatant, a terrorist, an Al-Qaeda member the ability to go into every federal court in this United States and sue the people that are fighting the war for us.''

However, Democrats didn't see things that way. Sen. Jeff Bingaman, a Democrat, called the provision a major mistake and said it deserved closer scrutiny by lawmakers. "It's contrary to the way the court decisions have come down already. It is an extraordinary step for this Congress to be taking,'' he said.

However, most counterterrorists, military and law enforcement alike, believe it to be a slap in the face to American citizens to have citizenship rights extended to those who would kill, maim and imprison them.

Only three Democrats sided with 46 Republicans to insert the provision in the overall defense bill. Surprisingly, four Republicans voted against the amendment. These four members of the GOP are said to be RINOs or Republicans In Name Only by Republican loyalists.

Even more disturbing is that the overwhelming majority in the Senate voted to mandate National Intelligence Director John Negroponte to provide the Senate and House intelligence committees with details of any clandestine facilities where the United States holds or has held terrorism suspects. This is disturbing since this would jeopardize sources and methods as well as national security. In Washington, most leaks of classified material come from the US Congress. In fact, some lawmakers are known to be Washington's biggest leakers such as Senator Patrick "Leaky" Leahy.

The mandate is an overreaction to a recent Washington Post story that alleged the CIA is operating secret prisons for terror detainees in some Eastern Europe countries and elsewhere. In spite of pressure by the Democrats, the Bush administration continues to neither deny or confirm the existence of these so-called secret prisons, which house the most dangerous terrorists and those likely to have valuable information on terrorist plots and activities.

One intelligence officer told this writer, on deep background, that he believes it was Senator John McCain who leaked information to the Washington Post in order to pressure the White House into agreeing with his anti-torture legislation. A former Vietnam POW, McCain is know to be very sensitive to issues regarding prisoners of war and enemy combatants. In a recent interview, Senator Trent Lott, a GOP stalwart, claimed that the secret prisons leak came from a Republican.

This has caused a rift between conservatives and the Republicans who are seen as cooperating with the Democrats in giving aid and comfort to the enemy. The confrontation between the President and some Republican Senators is seen as another example of the Republicans allowing themselves to be manipulated by the Democrats, liberal groups and the mainstream media.

More distressing is the Senate Democrats attempting to bully the Republicans into cooperating with them on a proposal requiring Bush "to outline a timetable for a phased withdrawal of US forces."

Bush refuses to set a timetable because to do so would provide aid to the enemy in developing their terror strategy. Once the enemy knows the exact timetable for troop reductions, they can plan accordingly.

The anti-war politicians, activists and news media -- some operating covertly -- have achieved the first part of their plan which was to turn public opinion against the military action in Iraq. Now they are ready to start pushing for withdrawal which emboldens the terrorists to fight harder and kill more American and coalition soldiers. As usual the left is working vigorously to thwart an American victory in the war on terrorism, even if it means giving aid and comfort to the enemy through the legislative process and the US courts.


TOPICS: Editorial; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 109th; dontquityourdayjob; gitmo; republicansinaction; senate; torturebill
...a slap in the face to American citizens to have citizenship rights extended to those who would kill, maim and imprison them.

This was an act commited by a gaggle of socialist America haters that dream of America losing this important conflict. Either they're crazy or they, like the Muslims, are our enemies.

I think the answer lies in the latter.

1 posted on 11/12/2005 5:50:07 AM PST by FerdieMurphy
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To: FerdieMurphy

They're more sympathetic to terrorists than our soldiers.

FDR and Truman would be hanging their heads in shame.


2 posted on 11/12/2005 5:59:40 AM PST by Redgirl (I don't do hyphens.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

This is somewhat confusing - the title says one thing, but the body of the text says that the senators voted by a slim margin to prevent terrorists held at GTMO from using US courts to sue the US for their detention... confusing ...


3 posted on 11/12/2005 5:59:40 AM PST by Ken522
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To: FerdieMurphy
" Either they're crazy or they, like the Muslims, are our enemies"

Definitely Enemies. Absolutely from the Left, and most likely DemoncRAT and Rhino Republican.

If there was ever a place that needed a good fumigation and a through Dusch, it would be the House and the Senate.
4 posted on 11/12/2005 6:00:54 AM PST by MisouriMule (We will all soon reap what the ignorant are now sowing.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
"It's contrary to the way the court
decisions have come down already."

Rush was right. The dims rely on the courts when they can't get the votes. They think the SCOTUS is the last word. Of course with a spineless republican majority it may as well be.
5 posted on 11/12/2005 6:01:41 AM PST by PositiveCogins
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To: FerdieMurphy
McCain for President! ... of Somalia



6 posted on 11/12/2005 6:01:58 AM PST by G.Mason (The barbarians are at the gate ... the Democrats and RINO's stand ready to open it for them)
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To: OXENinFLA; Txsleuth; Mo1; tiredoflaundry
One intelligence officer told this writer, on deep background, that he believes it was Senator John McCain who leaked information to the Washington Post in order to pressure the White House into agreeing with his anti-torture legislation.

Just a little tidbit on what we were puzzling over.

7 posted on 11/12/2005 6:04:23 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: Bahbah

He must have been tortured to do that, since he is such a hero to the liberals and MSM he would not do this willingly.


8 posted on 11/12/2005 6:09:14 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Bahbah
One intelligence officer told this writer, on deep background, that he believes it was Senator John McCain who leaked information to the Washington Post in order to pressure the White House into agreeing with his anti-torture legislation.

The Bass turd.

9 posted on 11/12/2005 6:10:33 AM PST by tiredoflaundry ("Youth" - French for Muslim Rioters)
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To: Ken522

[This is somewhat confusing - the title says one thing, but the body of the text says that the senators voted by a slim margin to prevent terrorists held at GTMO from using US courts to sue the US for their detention... confusing ...]

Yeah, it is cornfusing. Maybe the author was tipsy?


10 posted on 11/12/2005 6:16:02 AM PST by kindred (Only God is good.)
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To: Bahbah

We must remember that McCain has a history. Low ranking military officer, prisioner, Senator, Keating five, Soros man. How dare he weaken US security?


11 posted on 11/12/2005 6:20:56 AM PST by paguch
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To: FerdieMurphy

enemies.





Plain and Simple!!!


12 posted on 11/12/2005 6:26:56 AM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He's done more for our country than we will ever know. He's the man!)
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To: FerdieMurphy

The US Senate is a Terrorist loving org.


13 posted on 11/12/2005 6:45:37 AM PST by zzen01
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To: paguch

Was also hated by his fellow prisoners. I wonder why? Perhaps the gooks gave him a matress and other goodies.


14 posted on 11/12/2005 6:56:54 AM PST by FerdieMurphy (For English press one. Only in America!)
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To: Bahbah

And who told McCain ????


15 posted on 11/12/2005 7:06:49 AM PST by Mo1
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To: prairiebreeze; onyx; ohioWfan; Texasforever; BigSkyFreeper; Tamzee; mrs tiggywinkle; EllaMinnow; ...
And my other question is .. if it was McCain .. why would Lott rat a republican .. because isn't Lott also secretly behind the Gang of 14 ??
16 posted on 11/12/2005 7:09:48 AM PST by Mo1
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To: Ken522

The part that the title is referring to is the aditional provision inserted by the Senators requiring the Nat Int Dir to tell congress all about any "secret" overseas detention facilities.

There are ways to insure the executive is not building an anti-democratic arm within the government, to act against the people, without every national security secret being divulged to Congress.

What Congress seeks is simply further extension of its "legislated" powers over the executive.


17 posted on 11/12/2005 7:20:19 AM PST by Wuli
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To: Mo1
And who told McCain ????

Who knows, Mo. The thing gives me whiplash trying to figure this one out. On the whole though I have decided that our Senators are a pretty disgusting bunch. This began to dawn on me with the emergence of C-Span.

18 posted on 11/12/2005 7:28:24 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: Bahbah; Mo1
One intelligence officer told this writer, on deep background, that he believes it was Senator John McCain who leaked information to the Washington Post in order to pressure the White House into agreeing with his anti-torture legislation.

It sounds JUST like McCain. He uses dirty tricks to get what he wants and then turns around and accuses others of working behind HIS back.

Ever notice how people accuse others of the very same tactics they use?

And, btw, I'd love to know what McCain calls torture. Because what I saw about Abu Grahib wasn't torture. It was humiliation and fear.

19 posted on 11/12/2005 7:46:45 AM PST by Peach (The Clintons pardoned more terrorists than they ever captured or killed.)
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To: FerdieMurphy

With Anti-American Socialists like Ted Kennedy and Pat Leahy in the Senate, and Pelosi in the House, this bill could be deep trouble for our intelligence gathering. They'll no doubt leak anything they can to our enemies, especially if it discredits Republicans.


20 posted on 11/12/2005 7:49:20 AM PST by Hardastarboard
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To: Peach
what I saw about Abu Grahib wasn't torture.

No, it wasn't. I never would have gone along with the handwringing over such stupid stuff. Rush Limbaugh is the only public person who kept it in perspective. And John McCain is someone who would sell out anyone or anything if he thought it would advance his interests.

21 posted on 11/12/2005 7:56:39 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: Mo1
It's confusing as all heck. IF McCain "leaked" this info to the Post wasn't it classified info?
22 posted on 11/12/2005 8:12:01 AM PST by tiredoflaundry ("Youth" - French for Muslim Rioters)
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To: FerdieMurphy
Either they're crazy or they, like the Muslims, are our enemies.

I'd say both. They are not mutually exclusive. In fact being an enemy of America, historically speaking, is pretty close to being crazy.

23 posted on 11/12/2005 8:32:38 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Mo1
And who told McCain ????

McCain is, to our shame, a member of the U.S. Senate. If he asks, he has to be told. Normally information is only provided to select group of Senators and Congressmen. That's by mutual agreement between the legislative and executive branches. Back in the days when most CongressCritters had a modicum of honor and concern for something other than the next election. The days when even many Democrats were honorable men truly concerned about the interests of the Nation. Legislators like Scoop Jackson for example, as well as many Southern Democrats.

24 posted on 11/12/2005 8:38:55 AM PST by El Gato
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To: Mo1
And my other question is .. if it was McCain .. why would Lott rat a republican .. because isn't Lott also secretly behind the Gang of 14 ??

Lott is playing both ends against the middle..

Here is an example.

Frist and Hastert announce that they will open a joint investigation on the prison leak...fast forward a couple of hours later that day....Lott gives an interview to CNN in which he claims it was a Republican Senator who did the leaking.

Bombshell news..... which causes Frist to panic...and he doesn't sign the letter with Hastert until he winds up with major egg on his face....after dallying for hours trying to figure out who in his caucus leaked.

Fast forward to today.....McCain is all smug he has had a few days of good press over his stand on the torture bill.....along comes Lott who procedes to throw out in deep background...that the Leaker of the prisons was none other than McCain.

There is so much backstabbing going on we need a scorecard.

25 posted on 11/12/2005 9:13:12 AM PST by Dog
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To: Bahbah

Thanks for the ping...

Okay...it answers one question, perhaps...but, I wonder who else was at that meeting...so we could ask him...who is telling the truth---Lott or McCain.


26 posted on 11/12/2005 10:14:25 AM PST by Txsleuth (I am the real TXSLEUTH...please freepmail me if you doubt it.)
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To: Txsleuth

We're still not there, are we Tx?


27 posted on 11/12/2005 10:29:27 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: Bahbah

No....we aren't there yet---and what makes it even more maddening is....

The idiot Senators went along with Kerry's stupid amendment making classified information that was JUST leaked..and had just had a call for a bicameral investigation...

to be regularly given to Senators that cannot keep their mouths shut...

AND...I do believe that Sen. Allen voted FOR it..and even my two Senators voted for it...I think...

What the heck were these people thinking???


28 posted on 11/12/2005 10:33:32 AM PST by Txsleuth (I am the real TXSLEUTH...please freepmail me if you doubt it.)
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To: Txsleuth
What the heck were these people thinking???

I must have had a big glass of stupid because I cannot figure that out.

29 posted on 11/12/2005 11:24:51 AM PST by Bahbah (Free Scooter; Tony Schaffer for the US Senate)
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To: Mo1

I really, really, really want to know if McCain is the leaker. If you learn, PLEASE ping me.


30 posted on 11/12/2005 11:47:07 AM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: FerdieMurphy
One intelligence officer told this writer, on deep background, that he believes it was Senator John McCain who leaked information to the Washington Post in order to pressure the White House into agreeing with his anti-torture legislation.

So that is how McCain knew it was a Republican?!!! I will refrain from calling him what I'm thinking! These people really don't care if what they do harms this country as long as they get their way! I'm sick of them all!

31 posted on 11/12/2005 2:49:10 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Mo1
why would Lott rat a republican

Lott said that he wasn't talking about this leak. He was talking about one that happened long ago that involved a Republican. The so-called reporter knew what he was talking about but made it sound as if Lott was talking about now. At least, that's what Lott told another so-called reporter later on.

I'm so sick of all of these self-serving elites who are only worried about getting re-elected! They might as well say to hell with this country and it's security!

32 posted on 11/12/2005 2:53:26 PM PST by kcvl
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To: Mo1
And my other question is .. if it was McCain .. why would Lott rat a republican ..

Wouldn't you rat on McCain if you found out he was the source of the leak?

...isn't Lott also secretly behind the Gang of 14 ??

Not quite sure.

My question is this, rhetorically, why are we going after baseball players and oil executives when we should be getting down to the bottom of such things as this?

33 posted on 11/12/2005 6:35:54 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper ("Tucker Carlson could reveal himself as a castrated, lesbian, rodeo clown ...wouldn't surprise me")
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To: zzen01

The US Senate is all about it's members and to hell with everyone and everything else.


34 posted on 11/12/2005 6:45:57 PM PST by F.J. Mitchell (Global worming could have saved New Orleans if enacted before the worms ate the levees.)
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