Skip to comments.Angry Moms Boycott Eatery That Asks Kids To Keep Quiet
Posted on 11/14/2005 5:51:48 AM PST by Cagey
Parent Says Restaurant Offers Kid Food, So It Should Cater To Kids
"We were surprised at how many times we would see children really out of control," McCauley said. "And we actually had people leaving the bakery because the children were so out of control."
So, he put a sign on the door at kids' eye-level, asking children of all ages to use their "indoor voices."
"We thought it was just a friendly reminder to people that when they come here, just be considerate of the people around them. We had no idea the kind of controversy that was going to explode out of this," McCauley said.
But some parents who spoke with NBC5's Natalie Martinez took immediate offense to the sign. The angry mothers said there are plenty of places in the Andersonville neighborhood where they can take their kids, even if they're acting out.
"I've e-mailed friends and said, 'Just so you know, this man has a sign up. I know there are lots of other options, and I'd encourage you not to go there,'" parent Kate Bremmer said.
When she spoke with Martinez, Bremmer and her kids were picking out goodies at a Swedish bakery, where all kids are welcome.
"Our custom has been to offer a cookie to every child that comes into the store for as long as I can remember," said Kathy Stanton-Cromwell, the co-owner of the bakery, which is just a few doors down from A Taste of Heaven.
Stanton-Cromwell said the cookie serves as "a good calmer" for kids who are acting up.
Bremmer said A Taste of Heaven "is not a five-star restaurant," so she thinks it should cater to kids, not the other way around.
"They offer ice cream cones and cookies and lots things that kids love, and therefore, I don't think that they should make such an issue of it," Bremmer said.
Other parents enjoying lunch with their kids at A Taste of Heaven were more diplomatic.
"I have mixed feelings about it. It's a little off-putting," one mother said.
Linda Wallace, also a mother who eats at A Taste of Heaven, said she thought McCauley was "sort of brave" for putting up the sign.
"It did cross my mind that he might offend some people," she said.
McCauley said he loves kids, although he has none of his own. He said he has no immediate plans to take the sign down.
It IS amazing how certain foods affect behavior. But it becomes a battle of wills that many (weak) parents give up on after trying awhile. And school food service folks may give it lip service, but won't do the hard work of changing to less ADHD-inducing foods. Sad.
The American diet is different than 50 years ago -- corn snacks and breakfasts, corn in almost everything instead of other sugars and starches, petroleum based colorings, the overabundance of empty sugar/starch/colored foods. Compare this dietary change over time with the rise of ADD/ADHD. But, no one seems to want to spotlight this; it means fighting drug companies and corn/diary industry lobbies.
They're also now finding that corn syrup sweetener (cheap) also makes us fatter than sugar (beet or cane).
No child should be left alone in a car. NO CHILD. NEVER.
You need to go back and carefully review my posts. My position is clear and I'm not gonna get in a pissing contest with you. I'll also let you have the last word.
That is a MAJOT probel here in leftist New England. Many of the 'adults' are chronologically thirty years old, but are roughly five or six mentally. It is an amazing cultural phenomenon...undisciplined brats growing into undisciplined adults. Frightening.
Keep the brats quiet!
Yep. We used to leave our car and house unlocked, too. When sent to the car, it was close to the restaurant and watched. Not out of sight in a mall lot or such. And I'm not talking about a toddler that would be fearful, but an older child choosing to misbehave who can appreciate that particular discipline of disassociation. You know, I'm finding I really crave nuanced adults.
Good. I hope business continues to 'boom'.
Oh, my bad, I thought this article was talking about toddlers and what not. I didn't know that 17 year olds still use the term "indoor voices".
My 4 year old son behaves, but sometimes can be unruly as most toddlers and young children can be.
But I digress because apparently I misread the article and we're suppose to be talking about teens.
Really? Please explain to me how you discipline a 1 year old baby?
I have no interest in reading any of your posts which were not a direct response to a comment of mine.
You're decision not to engage in a "pissing match" is certainly the correct one.
You misinterpreted my first comment and you've been wrong ever since. You don't have a leg to stand on.
excuse me. i am sure you have little darlings. just forget i addressed you.
My husband and I were enjoying one of those fancy-schmancy Sunday brunches at a hotel in Las Colinas not long ago. The two of us were seated at a table normally used for 4, and we were seated adjacently, facing in toward the restaurant rather than toward the door. We had gone through the buffet line and had been seated, enjoying our meal for about 45 minutes, deeply engrossed in conversation and our food, and not really looking around.
We stood to get dessert and were very surprised to find a family of 5 seated at the directly behind us. We'd never even been aware they were there. It was the parents and 3 children, probably ages 3, 5 and 6, and judging from their plates, they'd been there a while. They were quiet as mice and engaged in quiet family table talk. The kids were conducting themselves very well, and the little 3 yr old girl was buttering her own bread and using her bread plate. We lingered over the dessert buffet, partially trying to decide and partially watching this family in amazement from the corner of our eyes. The mother, we noticed, was taking the time to individually escort each child back to the buffet, individually assisting each child, etc., while the father did the same.
Children can and should be controlled and disciplined and should be taught to be considerate of others. When I was a child, we would sit politely and quietly and often watch the kids around us running about uncontrollably. I often wondered what made us different, but it was attention and close discipline (seldom needed) on behalf of my parents.
That is too funny. Yes, discipline the one year old. Be stern and teach her that being loud and throwing things will get an immediate negative reaction. If you don't do it now then she'll be an obnoxious brat in no time.
I have two kids, 4 and 5. I know whereof I speak.
It's funny because I have hit the gold mine for all the greatest parents in the world. It's right here on FR. In r-life I have yet to meet parents that have not had their great kids act up at an inappropriate time. They're obviously all bad parents because one time they're kids misbehaved while they were in a restaurant.
Because I figure it will work better than trying to explain to her why she should be quite. Or it will be better than spanking her.
We're teaching her the same way we taught our son. Believe it or not, our son is a tornado...when he is at home. Once we go out he is quiet and well-behaved.
Which is precisely why certain establishments cater to parents with young children acting their age:
And certain restaurants cater to parents who want a quite and enjoyable meal:
LOLOL! My younger brother was trying to design a "death ray" that would reduce "annoying drivers and their cars" to a "steaming pile of smoldering ash", but he couldn't come up with a power source small enough to keep the fuel costs down on his Trans Am. A real shame. :-)
IMHO, it doesn't matter what you wear, it's how you wear yourself with kids. It took me almost a year to get over the "best buddy, big brother" mentality with my son. I nearly ruined him.
I received a call from school one day last year about such a situation. The driver had a problem with a few of the older kids and turned the bus around - school was notifying the parents of all the other children as to why the bus was running late.
I have no problem with that type of policy.
Related book title are interesting:
An Adult Child's Guide to What's "Normal"
Codependence: The Dance of Wounded Souls
Healing the Adult Childs Grieving Heart
Getting Along (Almost) With Your Adult Kids: A Decade-by-Decade Guide
Ready or Not, Why Treating Children as Small Adults Endangers Their Future and Ours
Geez...'MAJOT probel' = 'major problem'. More coffee, please.
Holy cow. Parents really can be stuck between a rock and a hard place. It's the hardest job I've ever had, I'm glad I have my husband to be my workmate. I couldn't do it without him. But imagine the scenario: mother of 5 swats unruly 6 year old at local mall, CPS called, all 5 children removed from home. Scary, and easy to understand why parents fail to discipline in public.
Exactly. Parents are hamstrung; if you discipine your children in public, some busybody is going to sic the authorities on you for abuse. If, and this is a big if, we were raising children now (not 30 years ago) I question if we could do as well. Now that being said, once you get away from the malls and city life, raising kids out on the ranch is just like it was years ago.
Several years ago, a friend and his 16 year old son got into an argument at home (ranch) and the son gave him some lip. Baaammm! One swift smack to the jay and down he went. Now, this is a good kid. He got up and apologized. Good family.
Next day a school a teacher noticed his jaw, got the story, and called the sheriff. Father arrested on abuse.
In court, the son tells the judge it was his fault and he had mouthed off and been disrespectful to his father. Judge told the father he couldn't strike his son under any circumstance. Father asked if he could sent him to his room and the judge said no; it would be depriving him of his family life.
Father asked what he could do and the judge said nothing. At this point it was getting almost comical and most of the courtroom was snickering at the whole thing. Bill, the father, then told the judge that he could have him and to take him to his own home.
Judge went ballistic and said maybe they could work something out after all. The whole thing was dismissed and father and son walked out of the court room with a new and deeper understanding of the liberal world.
Two weeks later the teacher was persuaded in a very physical way to depart to greener pastures and the sheriffs office never did find the perps.
Don't worry, you won't be...........they won't be the ones looking for jobs that require them to take any responsibilty.
Once I saw two kids allowed to run wild in a Denny's while the parents had a discussion with their adult friends. The children were climbing onto others' booths and chasing each other around the restaurant. I went up to the manager and refused to pay for my meal because the kids were rough housing near my booth. The manager marched the kids over to the parents who then argued loudly with the manager.
"I have no interest in reading any of your posts which were not a direct response to a comment of mine." (neener neener neeeener!)
"You misinterpreted my first comment and you've been wrong ever since." (so there!)
Talk about sounding like a spoiled brat. Are you laying on the floor, pounding your feet and arms, in between posts?
It's real simple. You and your kids should have good manners especially in public. As for the person who said those without kids blah blah blah should apologize. It's a stupid statement because she has no idea why these people do not have kids.
Above all there is no excuse for a kid out of control.
I also wish clothing stores would put up signs outside ladies' dressingrooms that say, "If you fail to control your child in the dressingroom, don't be surprised when a half-naked woman shoves their head out from under the curtain." I've done that to mostly little boys a number of times, expecting to get walloped by some liberal mama every time, but bring it on, sister!
LOLOLOLOL LMAO That story is priceless!!! I'm sending a copy of that to my sister and best friend just to make their day.
I bet my sister will use it too...hehehehe!!
If parents had a clue how to discipline their kids, a sign would not be necessary.
It's another way to destroy the family. I am sorry to see this.
My sister and brother in law haven't been out to eat with their baby ever. When they want to go to an "adult" non-chucky-cheese, non-mcdonalds kind of eating place, they get a sitter. And, they pretty much consider those places to be "training ground" for the grownup places they'll take him once he's of an age for discipline.
The Feingold Diet saved us. It is a lot of trouble but we were at the point we would have tried anything. To this day my kids and I know when we're "off the diet". JILL
I may very well know that woman, bless her heart.
I'm beginning to think that the three "S's" should be our new unofficial national motto.
No, no one has said they had perfect kids. But they have told you what they did when their kids acted up in public. This is why it's difficult to give parenting advice. People get defensive. There is no excuse for a parent who allows kids to annoy the rest of the world because they think kids will be kids, or because they don't know how to or refuse to teach their kids better. There was a time when MOST kids behaved reasonably well in public. This tells me it's not only not impossible, it's quite doable.
But, is it working? If not, you need to find something else.
My kids are well behaved at home and in public. I guess I am unlike you in that I don't believe discipline ends at the front door.
I don't mind well behaved kids in a restaurant, but when they are shouting and screaming, I leave. I don't come back if that's the norm for the place.
Sometimes the restaurant has a choice, serve noisy children, or serve people who enjoy a peaceful atmosphere. The two will not willingly occupy the same space.
To me, it's unbelievable that a polite request for indoor voices and good behavior is grounds for a boycott. Generation X, I guess.
Don't move to TX. THere are no restaurants that are free of kids. Even the priciest, fanciest......everyone brings the kids. We lived there for 11 years and never got used to it.
Yes kids now rule their parents, and the parents not only defend the actions of these unruly brats, they demand others accomodate them.
I think if a child looked under the dressing room door while I was in their changing, they would be scarred to life! Just punishment! ;)
Agreed. It is statistically impossible for this many perfect parents to be in one place at one time :}
Well, I live in Texas, and the restaurant with the fancy-schmancy Sunday brunch mentioned in my earlier thread was in the metroplex. But, you're right......it is near impossible to find a restaurant without kids. My husband and I have actually requested the "smoking" section before if we wanted to have a "romantic" dinner.
I have noticed alot more unruley, ill behaved kids with oblivious parents here in S. Florida than I ever noticed in Texas. FWIW this is a very upscale area. But people seem to bring their small children to the most inappropriate places. I think if they can bring their wild kids I should be able to bring my two well behaved golden retrievers! Alas, it is not so!
i just have to wonder... have you never been out in a store or a restaurant and been witness to parents who are NOT in control of their children? no one here is claiming perfect parenting, but what they ARE advocating is that the parent be the one in charge and not the child. instances of the reverse are legion, everywhere you look.
Alas, it seems that you are correct. It seems I know nearly as many impolite as polite children. I'm by no means a perfect parent, nor is my daughter an angel, but my husband and I have done our best to instill proper manners in her, and for the most part we have been successful.
Except that the owner needs to put it up a little higher so the real problem gets the message