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Newsweek Poll Undersamples Republicans by 10 Points: Only 27% Republican (Election 2004 - 37% GOP)
PR Newswire via Yahoo ^ | November 12, 2005

Posted on 11/14/2005 3:27:33 PM PST by new yorker 77

LAST QUESTION in the polling data:

D2. Now I have just a few more questions so we can describe the people who took part in our survey ... Regardless of how you might have voted in recent elections, in politics TODAY, do you consider yourself a Republican, Democrat, or Independent?

27 Republican

37 Democrat

32 Independent

2 No party/Not interested in politics (VOL.)

1 Other party (VOL.)

1 Don't know

100

(Excerpt) Read more at biz.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: NewMediaFan
What's up with the MSM's blizzard of new polls? It's not like there's an election any time soon.

If they don't hammer this administration daily with slanted polls, glorification of the democrat party and every slice of bad news they can find they have no chance of having one of their own in the WH anytime soon. I'm used to it now but before i understood the extreme bias in MSM reporting it made me a bit angry. The real polls are on election day.
21 posted on 11/14/2005 3:47:56 PM PST by Liberty Valance (T for Texas and T for Tennessee)
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To: new yorker 77

So you can getting GW to lowest favorable by continuing to use more dems in the sample?


22 posted on 11/14/2005 3:49:40 PM PST by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: RWR8189

In other words, most polls are shite!


23 posted on 11/14/2005 3:50:00 PM PST by kaktuskid
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To: RWR8189
Gallup is a garbage polling firm.

Their polls fluctuate because the do not set a parameter for likely voters and party affiliation.

This is why htey had a 30 point range between Bush and Kerry during the 2004 election.

Kerry +14 in the spring, Bush +16 in September.

They were both garbage because both advantages came as a result of oversampling both sides in each given poll.

I am not being childish.

You are defending an MSM and their biased polling data.

I know ZERO conservatives who would do that.

Being right regarding a biased Newsweek poll would only angry a liberal poser.

24 posted on 11/14/2005 3:50:57 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: new yorker 77

Rasmussen had Bush's approval rating at 46%.


25 posted on 11/14/2005 3:56:19 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: RWR8189
Party ID is not something that should be strictly controlled.

Tell that to Scott Rasmussen.

He actually gets elections right because he does not misrepresent Republicans.

For years, MSM polling firms have undersampled Republicans.

If you as a 'conservative' feel comfortable defending Newsweek and CNN, go right ahead.

Enjoy being wrong in the face of facts.

26 posted on 11/14/2005 3:56:31 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: new yorker 77; All

You named the game.

Earlier this year, most of the pollsters were weighting their samples according to party affiliation . . . the President's JA ratings remained too high.

What did the MSM pollsters do to remedy this situation? They simply changed their weighting formulae, driving the the percentage of Republicans into the 20s and the percentage of Independents (where Democrats hide) into the high 30s/low 40s. Like magic, the President's JA ratings slipped into the high 30s/low 40s!


27 posted on 11/14/2005 3:56:37 PM PST by DrDeb
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To: new yorker 77
You obviously don't understand Gallup's likely voter model, and I'm not going to spend time educating you.

I certainly don't consider an exit poll to be as authentic as census variables, I thought we all learned that lesson after last November.

But if you want to stand by the likes of MoveOn.org in going after poll results you don't like, I'm not going to get in your way.

I also know very few conservatives who revert to ad hominem attacks when having a discussion.
28 posted on 11/14/2005 3:57:40 PM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen 2008)
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To: Alter Kaker; RWR8189; new yorker 77; All

In today's highly partisan political/social environment, do you actually believe that party affiliation fluctuates wildly?! Please!

ALL pollsters control for key demographic variables, Gallup included. The fact Gallup, et al, have decided to stop controlling for the one variable that actually subsumes all the rest speaks volumes!


29 posted on 11/14/2005 4:01:09 PM PST by DrDeb
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To: DrDeb

Deb,

I was not a freeper in 2004, but I remember this Gallup poll that had Bush+16.

I said it was garbage at the time because Rasmussen had Bush and Kerry pretty much still tied as he had all year.

Gallup refused to use parameters for party ID that had been consistent over several election cycles.

Newsweek was outright sloppy and biased for a year and a half and then took the CYA approach last minute.

GOP voters did not disappear into thin air.

If you want support for Bush to disappear, make his supporters disappear from your poll with no election cycle data to back up your sample.


30 posted on 11/14/2005 4:01:13 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: RWR8189
If you want to defend Newsweek's clear bias and Gallup/CNN's clear sloppiness and compare my facts to MoveOn's lies, go right ahead.

As far as I am concerned you get the William F. Buckley award for choosing sides in the bizzaro world.

31 posted on 11/14/2005 4:04:40 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: DrDeb

They control for variables that can compared against the census, this cannot be done in the case of party ID, all we have to go from is flawed exit polls.

If the sample is truly random, the party ID question is nothing more than another question to examine how the political environment is shaped at this point in time.


32 posted on 11/14/2005 4:05:12 PM PST by RWR8189 (George Allen 2008)
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To: new yorker 77

Realclearpolitics.com does a great job of keeping tabs on the polls -

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/NEW_POLLS/polls-GWB_JA.html


33 posted on 11/14/2005 4:09:12 PM PST by Weimdog
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To: DrDeb
Hey Deb,

How is pointing out Newsweek undersampling the GOP voter by 10% a MoveOn.org tactic?

How is using the Rasmussen approach to sampling the electorate wrong?

How is it that I am on freerepublic coming to the defense of the President in the face of a biased Newsweek poll and I am being compared to MoveOn.org?

The MSM lies and trys to make conservatives miserable with a deluge of propaganda that includes biased polls.

I refute it by exposing facts.

The only people who despise facts are liberals.
34 posted on 11/14/2005 4:09:23 PM PST by new yorker 77 (FAKE POLLS DO NOT TRANSLATE INTO REAL VOTERS!)
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To: All
Phony polls, made up charges against our biggest leaders, Dusyt Harry, Howie the screamer, if that's the best the rats can do; they are still in big trouble. I don't care what their f...ing polls say.

This is a political party that stands for nothing, zip, nada, 0, zero. They have no platform except "Bush lied" and without a willing msm/l/w -media to push their agenda, no matter how bizarre it gets, they would rapidly cease to exist.
35 posted on 11/14/2005 4:19:19 PM PST by rodguy911 (Support Able Danger and Lt.Col Shaffer,Condi Rice/VP in 08--)
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To: new yorker 77
Your response is uneducated. Is 27% the same as 37%?

You didn't read my post. Try again. Party ID fluctuates wildly. No, 27% is not the same as 37%, but then the numbers of self-identified "Republicans" and "Democrats" aren't remotely constant.

If you want to defend Newsweek for clearly being biased and caught, then you are as conservative as Hillary.

Your ridiculous ad hominem has been noted. Now grow up.

36 posted on 11/14/2005 4:35:07 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: new yorker 77
Another poll-itorial. What's the point.
37 posted on 11/14/2005 4:36:06 PM PST by Tarpon
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To: new yorker 77

Nowadays, people may be reluctant to admit that they're Republicans.


38 posted on 11/14/2005 4:52:00 PM PST by The Old Hoosier (Right makes might.)
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To: DrDeb
In today's highly partisan political/social environment, do you actually believe that party affiliation fluctuates wildly?!

Yes I do.

ALL pollsters control for key demographic variables, Gallup included.

Correct. But race, age and gender don't change overnight. Political affiliation can and does.

39 posted on 11/14/2005 5:12:29 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Whatever tears one may shed, in the end one always blows one’s nose.-Heine)
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To: The Old Hoosier; new yorker 77; All

"Nowadays, people may be reluctant to admit that they're Republicans."


As most polling experts have noted, 'nowadays' Republicans are FAR less likely to respond to polls in the first place.

[Did you ever wonder why Gallup, who at one time boasted a response rate over 60%, now averages less than 30%. Most other pollsters garner a mere 5-15% response rate. Bottomline: The best you can say about these polls is that they MAY reflect the opinions of the 5% who actually bother to speak with a pollster!!]


40 posted on 11/14/2005 5:13:58 PM PST by DrDeb
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