Posted on 11/18/2005 7:58:33 AM PST by Uncledave
Edited on 11/18/2005 6:57:43 PM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
WASHINGTON -- Because every few years this country, in its infinite tolerance, insists on hearing yet another appeal of the Scopes monkey trial, I feel obliged to point out what would otherwise be superfluous -- that the two greatest scientists in the history of our species were Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein, and they were both religious.
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> We have a group of quasi-literate, working class types revolutionizing the world despite active opposition by every earthly power in the world, and without scintilla of expectation of earthly gain, in fact with the expectation of torment and persecution. And most amazingly they were successful. Would you call that a miracle?
Look up the history of the Mormons and get back to us.
> How about in 1917, 75,000 people gathered to witness a miracle. They witnessed a miracle. Here's the newspaper report
Amazing what people can see when they want to, yes? If the sun had in fact "danced," you'd think someone somewhere else would ahve noted it.
> Muhammad was never the subject of skeptical inquiry.
Neither, so far as existing records attest, was Jesus Christ. Long dead before anybody seemed to care.
> Mocking Christ on the road to Golgatha, putting guards on the tomb etc.
Again, hearsay. And even if so... not exactly indicative of anything important.
Might does not make right.
Darwinism has absolutely no inherent right to be taught as the sole theory explaining life.
Once that is understood science can be liberated from its shackles.
Are you being provocative? As I suspect you well know, Jews do not believe the Messiah has come.
But there is no other theory.
LOL Thats so SOS. Exvolution does not expalain the origin of life and never has purpoted to do so. Evolution expalins evolution nothing more nothing less, Sigh
But what if they don't want to? O Seculo was anti-religious.
Neither, so far as existing records attest, was Jesus Christ. Long dead before anybody seemed to care.
The records do attest unless you if you pick and choose the records.
Is your postion that if a miriacle is reported, it can't be true? That's circular reasoning.
Yes they can! Your interpretation of heaven or the route there is not written in stone. Last time I checked Jesus was a jew.
Maybe that is why they won't report the Pope's miracle.
> O Seculo was anti-religious.
It's a newspaper. Newspapers report things. If a bunch of people gather together *expecting* to see a miracle and get themselves into a lather and wind up seeing something in the clouds, it is to some degree news.
> The records do attest unless you if you pick and choose the records.
OK. What records are on hand of investigators circa 30 AD? Not 90 AD, not 60 AD, but 30 AD... right there, right then. Surely if, as the claim goes, there was a feller wandering around making a fool out of the local religious leadership, you'd think they would have sent out someone to check.
> Is your postion that if a miriacle is reported, it can't be true?
One wonders how you dreamed that up.
"For he will render to every man according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are factious and do not obey the truth, but obey wickedness, there will be wrath and fury. There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek, but glory and honor and peace for every one who does good, the Jew first and also the Greek. For God shows no partiality" (2:6-11)."
Hold this one close
Actually it fits quite well with those who see themselves as gods...the suprior elitist intellectuals of this country...for as you say...if all is chance, than how could we be so lucky to have the likes of the Clintons? Unless of course they were gods...or god like...
Of course if there is a real god or super intelligence...that makes all men who lust for the power of a god SOL...
They seek to control the realm of incredibility, by being the only ones qualified to define it.
There are probably with the rest of the records of Pontius Pilate. Do you believe that Pilate was prefect of Judea at the time of Christ?
I happen to agree with Charles...I do believe in God, believe the Bible, and also believe in evolution...I see it like Charles does, that evolution could very well be a process that God created and used...and yet, here on FR, there are howls that go up from those that claim they have the only possible interpretation of the Bible, and that their personal interpretation cannot be reconciled with evolution...and frankly they claim, they do not understand how anyone can believe in the Bible, in God, and in evolution all at the same time...well, as far as I am concerned, that is their problem, not mine...
I have been told, that for believing as I do, that the God I believe in must be a 'monster'...how 'Christian', of such a person to rant so...lets face it, everyone can read the Bible, and get something different out of it, or see it in a different way...it just seems to me, that those who insist that evolution cannot be reconciled with the Bible, are people who insist on limiting God...they want Him to have acted, only in the way that they believe He did...in other words, God had better fit into their own personal reading of the Bible, or else...or else what?, is what I wonder...is evolution so threatening to some, that if they should die, and find that evolution was indeed, Gods way of doing things, would that shake their beliefs?
I believe that God is so grand, so wonderful, so powerful, that He can and does do whatever He wishes...I will not put Him into a little box, and say He must have acted this way or that, because of my own personal interpretation of the Bible...I leave that up to God...however He did, whatever He did, in whatever time frame He chose, is His business, not mine...
I also dont believe that God would be so sadistic, as to leave behind all that fossils that have been found, as a cruel joke, trying to trick us...I dont believe that God gives us such a wonderful thing as a brain, and then expects us to disbelief what the fossils show us...
Then again, I am acquainted with some folk, who believe that all the dinosaur bones that have been found, are actually 'plants', from the devil...they believe that God would have never created something such as a dinosaur, so they prefer to hide their heads in the sand, and say that the 'Devil did it'...which is a little twist on those, who cannot come up with an rational argument against evolution, and throw up their hands, and say 'God did it'...
And for the umpteenth time, why to IDers, and creationists constantly come up with the same lame, invalid arguements...like, "If we evolved from apes, why are the apes still here?"...How many times, do they have to be given the answer, before it sinks in...or is it willfull ignorance?...Or another one, "What happens when one species gives birth to another completely different species?....good grief...I am not greatly versed in science, but even I know evolution never makes the claim that all of sudden one species comes from another species, lickety split, in one generation...and then we have the always favorite arguement, "Evolution cannot be, because evolution cannot make living matter from dirt", or some such statement...how longer must this go on?...evolution never, never, ,ever says anything about the origin of living matter...And yet, over and over and over again, those who believe in evolution are asked these same lame questions, and over and over again, the evolutionists give the answers, and yet most of the IDers and creationists, just pretend they did not hear the answer of did not understand the answer, and keep asking the same lame questions....or else, they are purposefully refusing to accept the answers, ,and think they are being 'cute', by asking the same nonsense...
There are so many people who do believe in God, believe in the Bible, and also believe in evolution...and I am one of them...and one other thing...there are too many who think and proclaim that those of us who believe in evolution are going to 'hell'...so you think you know the mind of God and can predict what happens to me, or anyone else?...I think not...and where do you have the proof that God considers belief in evolution to be some sin? You can have your own personal beliefs, but condemning someone else, because they dont believe in the Bible, the same way that you do, really is not right...just agree, that we disagree, and each one worry about your own 'soul'...
And I can sum it up just as well : a pox on both their houses!
>>OK. What records are on hand of investigators circa 30 AD?
> There are probably with the rest of the records of Pontius Pilate.
Ah. You *do* realize that that measn that those records are as valid as the documents that record Pilate's dealigns with alien battle lords for Zeta Reticuli, yes?
> Do you believe that Pilate was prefect of Judea at the time of Christ?
It is a reasonable conclusion to draw that Pontius Pilate was prefect of Judea at aroudn the time that Jesus was said to exist, yes.
If for no other reason than the records of his existence, while not overwhelming, are not exactly unbelievable. The mere supposition of his existence and doings do not stretch physics or common sense.
Now, if Pilate was said to bilocate, turn bright glow-in-the-dark green on command and hover six feet above his guests, then there'd be cause for doubt.
> evolution could very well be a process that God created and used
A perfectly reasonable and even scripturally justifiable position to take.
Why?
Beloved,
God is full of mercy and grace. Nonetheless, He remains holy, but because we are sinners by definition; it's our behavior alone that leds to the problems of death, misery and pain. If God was some sort of divine wishing well then the whole notion of our having free will would be the real joke.
Do you mind telling me what you putting your faith into during these trying times? Some folks have money, others guns and food stockpiles; where do you place your trust?
What version of the Bible is this one from?
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