It would appear that Ichneumon is a professional propagandist that is assigned to twist FR. About 1 in 10,000 freepers believes that evolution is even possible, and Ich aims to change that. The really laughable thing is that the handful of evos here are constantly trying to forge a link between evolution and biology, which is absurd on it's face since biology is all about what is really alive, not what someone chooses to imagine once was alive.
Evolution is clearly a deviant philosophy/religion issue, not science.
What garners my impatience is the lack of wonder at life itself.
What garners my contempt is the rhetoric of dogma--"anti-evolutionist", indeed. Sounds like "anti-Christ" and raises my suspicions that they are trying to sell a franchise, not increase the realm of knowledge. The theory of evolution is an invaluable, even indispensible, paradigm for categorizing life and studying life. The fossil and genetic evidence is fascinating (though they seem impervious to the glory of it), but they reason from now to the past, then try to reason from the past until now. It just ain't necessarily so--and tell them that, and watch them fly into a rage.
For instance, the anthropologist reasoned that the jaw changed because of soft food. It could very well have been that cooking was developed to allow for the changing jawline.
If we ever can explain the Why and How of it--I doubt it'll be the biologist who does it. He reasons the cart before the horse and thinks so small--I think it'll be the physicist, if anybody can.
Where in the world do you get your statistics from? Only 1 in 10,000 Freepers believes in evolution?...did you just make that up, due to wishful thinking on your part?...or do you have an actual survey?...
There are not just a handful of evos on FR...I believe there are way more evos than you would like to admit to...unless you have some survey, which proves me wrong(which I am looking for you to produce), my belief about how many FReepers believe in evolution is just as valid as your belief that Freepers who believe in evolution are just a handful...
It is your belief, not a fact, that evolution is deviant philosophy/religious issue, and not science...there are many of us on FR, who would disagree with you...and dont bother to try to call me an atheist...a lot of anti-evos think that calling a believer in evolution an atheist is only thing to call them...well, sorry, but there are millions of Christians, who believe in God, believe in the Bible, and also believe that evolution was created and used by God...and I happen to be one of them...
Now, it may very well be, that in your personal interpretation of the Bible, evolution does not fit in...but in millions of other Christians views, evolution can fit it...
Do be sure to produce that survey that confirms your statement that only 1 in 10,000 Freepers believes that evolution is even possible ...until you do so, I will just assume you made that statistic up...
LOL. Dream on. The entire Catholic church accepts evolution. You think there are none of *those* around here?
Yawn. Do even you anti-evos believe these goofy conspiracy theories and silly stuff you guys post?
About 1 in 10,000 freepers believes that evolution is even possible,
Wow, another blatant lie from an anti-evo. Who'da thunk it? Sorry, but the number of posters on each "side" on these threads is roughly 50/50 -- did you have trouble in gradeschool math class or something?
Heck, the pro-evolution ping list has *320* names on it. Is it really your bizarre contention that there are at least 3,200,000 registered Freepers total, and that EVERY ONE who didn't sign up for the pro-evo ping list is, without exception, anti-evolution? Because that's the *only* way your fantasy claim could be true.
I have ceased to be amazed by the utter inability of the anti-evolutionists to perform the most elementary analysis or reality-checks -- it practically seems to be a *requirement*, probably because people who can actually analyze the evidence accept that it points overwhelmingly to evolution -- but I never stop getting the giggles out of it. Watching you guys trying your best to "reason" and present "facts" is some of the finest amusement available anywhere at any price.
and Ich aims to change that.
All I "aim to change" is to get you folks to stop posting lies and disinformation about science. Is that too much to ask? Apparently it is.
The really laughable thing is that the handful of evos here are constantly trying to forge a link between evolution and biology, which is absurd on it's face since biology is all about what is really alive, not what someone chooses to imagine once was alive.
Wow, what a... bizarre misunderstanding of biology.
Evolution is clearly a deviant philosophy/religion issue, not science.
Funny, that's not what these ~10,000 Christian clergy have to say (are you sure you know what in the heck you're talking about?):
The "Clergy Letter Project": An Open Letter Concerning Religion and ScienceBut hey, I guess *you* know better than ~10,000 Christian clergy, eh?"Within the community of Christian believers there are areas of dispute and disagreement, including the proper way to interpret Holy Scripture. While virtually all Christians take the Bible seriously and hold it to be authoritative in matters of faith and practice, the overwhelming majority do not read the Bible literally, as they would a science textbook. Many of the beloved stories found in the Bible – the Creation, Adam and Eve, Noah and the ark – convey timeless truths about God, human beings, and the proper relationship between Creator and creation expressed in the only form capable of transmitting these truths from generation to generation. Religious truth is of a different order from scientific truth. Its purpose is not to convey scientific information but to transform hearts.
"We the undersigned, Christian clergy from many different traditions, believe that the timeless truths of the Bible and the discoveries of modern science may comfortably coexist. We believe that the theory of evolution is a foundational scientific truth, one that has stood up to rigorous scrutiny and upon which much of human knowledge and achievement rests. To reject this truth or to treat it as “one theory among others” is to deliberately embrace scientific ignorance and transmit such ignorance to our children. We believe that among God’s good gifts are human minds capable of critical thought and that the failure to fully employ this gift is a rejection of the will of our Creator. To argue that God’s loving plan of salvation for humanity precludes the full employment of the God-given faculty of reason is to attempt to limit God, an act of hubris. We urge school board members to preserve the integrity of the science curriculum by affirming the teaching of the theory of evolution as a core component of human knowledge. We ask that science remain science and that religion remain religion, two very different, but complementary, forms of truth.
[As of 20 November 2005, there are 9,945 signatures collected to date]
Click the links that follow to see the alphabetical lists of clergy members who have endorsed this letter
A to E - F to J - K to O - P to S - T to Z
Listing by States
...or are they all part of the "vast Darwinian conspiracy" too, who are likewise "professional propagandists that are assigned to twist" things in your paranoid world?
Hey, here's an essay by Freeper "longshadow" -- sound like anyone yo know?
It's worse than that; much worse. In the history of the world, only a tiny fraction of all the people who ever lived have had the opportunity to ask highly qualified scientists direct questions, and learn from their wisdom. Happily, because of the internet and places like FR, it is now possible for people from all walks of life to converse directly with all sorts of scientific experts; we have physicists, microbiologists, mathematicians, astronomers, and chemists, to specify but a few, roaming these threads, and eager to explain what they know and how they know it to virtually anyone willing to ask an intelligent question.
But there is another segment of people on these threads who, instead of asking these learned folks intelligent questions and thus expanding their knowledge and understanding, insist instead upon bludgeoning them with their ignorance, and questioning the patriotism, honesty, and intellect of people who have dedicated their lives to the pursuit of scientific knowledge.
I submit that such people are not here to learn anything, but are in fact interested in quite the opposite. I submit they are here to interfere with the dissemination of scientific knowledge that they find offensive. They don't want other people to ask the experts questions and learn from them; no, they are hear to attack the experts and cast doubt upon their wisdom, in the desperate hope that others will turn away and not listen to them.
IMHO that is why the same people show up over and over again parroting the same refuted diatribes and misinformation, and spewing the same bogus out-of-context quotes designed specifically to disrupt the dissemination of scientific knowledge. That why the same people show up over and over again misrepresenting what scientific theories and laws are, despite having had it explained to them 1720th time; they are here to instill confusion and spread their ignorance, not to disseminate knowledge.
The experts here on these threads ought to be revered and thanked for sharing with us their insights and explanations of the natural world around us; instead scorn is heaped upon them and their knowledge by the belligerently ignorant. I submit that these purveyors of unknowledge should be treated for the intellectual disruptors that they are. The stare the best opportunity any of us will ever have to gain more insight and understanding in the face, and spit in the eyes of those who offer and have the knowledge to help make that a reality.
Ichneumon is quite a monkey when it comes to copying and pasting. He rules that space. All the evo's love him for it.
What a pant load.