Posted on 11/20/2005 2:10:53 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
According to another thread, Ludwig was sneaking into their house and sleeping with her on more than one occasion. There was a lot more than a curfew violation here.
some of the stuff found on Kara's computer, here--
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1525842/posts
Interesting that you should mention that, Ditter. I have the 1966 translation of the Jerusalem Bible. Tolkein was among those who helped with this effort to translate it into modern language without losing any of the majesty, which is why I purchased it, even though I am not Roman Catholic.
When my oldest died, I opened it up, looking for an answer, and Job's final answer to God was the page it opened to
Job got me through. These were the words that carried me, when all else failed. I hope God reaches out to these children, and gives them comfort to carry on.
Job's final answer to God......
"I know that you are all-powerful:
what you conceive, you can perform.
I am the man who obscured your designs
with my empty-headed words.
I have been holding forth on matters I cannot understand,
on marvels beyond me and my knowledge.
(Listen, I have more to say,
now it is my turn to ask questions and yours to inform me.)
I knew you then only by hearsay;
but now, having seen you with my own eyes,
I retract all that I have said,
and in dust and ashes I repent.
Oh goodness, I don't remember what color I wore to my 18 year old sons funeral. Maybe a light colored suit, I really don't remember. Do you think people thought I wasn't grieving for him because I wasn't sobbing and wearing black? I sure hope the other people at the funeral weren't talking about me behind my back and saying I was responsible for his accident. Fashion is so important.
"Also, I was struck by the fact that the kids were so 'composed.'"
Most likely medicated. I know I'd need it, were I in a situation like that.
That Kara is going to have one cr@ppy life ahead of her. Her parents were executed because of her, her siblings are probably going to ostracize her later even if they're putting on a brave front now. It's just such a sad, sad tragedy.
And really, ANY of our own kids could've (or still could) bring home a monster at some point in time. Especially we girls. Who hasn't had a boyfriend our parents disapproved of at some point in our dating years? And since when are fourteen year old girls willing to listen to advice from parents when it's a choice between parental "control" and the first blush of newfound romance? She was obviously seeing him against their wishes, from what I've read to date.
I'm curious to see if the murderer was on meds, or off them. I'm curious to see if Kara was involved in plotting this at all. (I'm hoping not.)
I'm curious to see how these orphans get through this, and I'm praying for them all. :(
I thought she was the one in black. If she is the one in the red jacket she looks much older than 14 and angry. I had read somewhere that there was an older sister and thought it was her.
I hope you're right about Kara's motives. But I can't help thinking you're not.
That thought has crossed my mind too.
And no her motives were not worthy IMO, even though they may have started out that way. She was in "love" but haven't we all been? I just mentioned that some kids are drawn to troubled people that others wouldn't go near.
No need to get defensive -- actually, I was impressed that you were able to look for a good side. I haven't been able to do that... Sorry to have sounded snippy.
Well fortunately you hadn't just murdered him! And, yes, they probably were talking about you behind your back. Sorry, however, for your loss. It is a terrible tragedy. I grieve for you.
I'm sorry my post came across defensive. I'm not and it wasn't meant that way. She may have been involved. I hope this isn't the case though. Time will tell. Either way this girl has (or had) problems with authority though.
;-)
I'm sorry to hear about your son. You do what's best for you. I find it's best not to worry about what others think. There will always be a "well I never" in a crowd.
"When she finally matures, it will be hell to live with what happened"
I pray she will get through this. However, if she played a role, she should pay.
A good firm lock up with some forced guidance may be what she needs.
I just don't feel she is completely innocent.
She needs to learn to respect her family.
Her disrespect for her parents rules makes me distrust her.
She had been seeing this young man since May 2005, all the time lying to her parents.
But regardless, she has to know that if she had obeyed her parents, none of this would have happened. And that's a dreadful burden for her to bear even if she had no idea what this boy was planning to do.
There doesn't seem to be much doubt about the boy, though. He is very bad news and has been for some time. Only question remaining I guess is how much his parents knew. (I don't necessarily blame them though, some of these psychopath/sociopath kids can be very cunning and disguise much of their pathology.)
Yeah. Sadly, This can only end badly or horrible.
"All Teenagers are defiant, and it usually doesn't get their parent's killed."
This girl must have been so out of control.
The investigation is ongoing and believe me she is not out of the woods yet.
But I think it's going to get worse before it gets better. The boy is apparently already trying to implicate the girl in the murders, and if he really is a sociopath he will be cooking up a scheme to spread the blame around as much as possible.
Problem is, he's the original untrustworthy witness. And for that matter, so is she. And the computer postings aren't much better, because of the Teenage Drama Queen syndrome . . . going to take some good police work to figure this one out.
But if I were one of her siblings, I don't know if I could ever speak to her again.
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