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Why son refused to stand
The Courier News ^ | 11/25/05 | EMS Fire Lt. Robert Bedard

Posted on 11/25/2005 3:01:56 PM PST by chicagolady

I am the father of the young man who did not stand for the singing of the Mexican national anthem during a cultural awareness program at Larkin High School.

I have been constantly asked to explain the details of the event, and it is in response to these individuals that I offer the following facts.

Some of the students, my son included, were compelled to attend this assembly. The Mexican national anthem was printed on fliers and handed out to the attending students. The Mexican flag was marched in and placed on a podium by itself. The attendees were then asked to stand and sing the Mexican national anthem.

My son was not alone in his refusal to stand. Statements given to me by other youths and parents put the number of refusals at close to 20.

Larkin staff members immediately confronted the seated youth. Some of the students were threatened with in-school suspension; most of the seated students were intimidated into standing.

My son explained to the angry teacher who confronted him that he did not see a U.S. flag on the podium and he did not believe they were going to sing our national anthem. This teacher stated, "They have to stand for our national anthem, so you have to stand for theirs."

My son stated in response, "Yeah, but they're in our country."

The teacher called my son a punk and sent him to the office. The administrator in the office supported the teacher's demand and told my son that he could have made a more intelligent decision. My son was not formally disciplined. The teacher who confronted my son defended her actions to her students during class the following week.

I called Larkin principal Richard Webb to express my disappointment and concern. I described the manner in which my son had been treated. I was told that my son should have stood and that the school stood by its right to have this assembly in its chosen form.

I then exercised my right as a citizen and addressed the school board.

The press was present at the board meeting and media awareness snowballed from that point forward. Some of my statements to the board included, "I am disappointed that those responsible for creating an assembly intended to educate and sensitize Americans also felt free to act insensitively with regard to our culture. It is permissible to present another country's anthem alongside ours and receive standing respect. It is not reasonable to expect or demand that Americans stand and display respect for another flag and country in absence of the American anthem or flag."

I also asked the board to consider two positive actions. "First, encourage Larkin High School administrators to not underscore one culture to the exclusion of others. This ill-conceived mandatory assembly did nothing but widen the current schism. Second, I would ask the board to lay down some principles for future assemblies. While it is good educational practice to teach about other cultures, it is not an acceptable practice to require mandatory response to the patriotic elements of those cultures."

I was appalled by Webb's printed statement. Apologizing only for the "unfortunate spotlight" placed on the school does not acknowledge the process that brought the spotlight. Lack of proper oversight created an assembly that offended a large number of people. Teachers behaving badly guaranteed parental follow-through. Administrative silence and denial has perpetuated their arrogant image.

Trivializing the incident and belittling those it concerned has only confirmed Webb's lack of grounding with the community.

Since Dec. 8, 2004, educational institutions receiving federal funding are required to hold an educational program pertaining to the United States Constitution on Sept. 17 of each year. This year, Sept. 17 fell on a Saturday.

Our high school apparently chose on Sept. 16 not to hold an assembly on the Constitution of the United States, but to educate our youth on the patriotic elements of another country.

- Bedard is an Elgin resident.

11/25/05


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderslanguage; cowardpcbastards; culture; diversityeducation; dontstandforthis; education; immigrantlist; larkinschoolsucks; mexicananthem; mexicosucks; pcnonsense; principalsuckstoo; punkprincpal; punkschoolboard; punkteacher; teachersucks; theiranthemsucks
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To: paulat
If the father was stationed in a foreign country...would he SIT DOWN ON THE TARMAC if another country's anthem was played???!!!
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As a member of the US Military; when I am in a FOREIGN (or HOST) country I show proper respect for the anthem of the FOREIGN (or HOST) country I am in. If I were in the US and attending a ceremony where both the US and a foreign national anthem are both played I would show proper respect.

If I were in this kids situation I would explain proper protocol to the idiot who was trying to force me to attend the ceremony. There are rules about proper flag display and for the playing the anthems of more than one nation.

Sorry if I disrupted your emotional appeal. In the future read up on protocol before getting all feely on us.
41 posted on 11/25/2005 3:25:46 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: FreedomPoster

Right on!


42 posted on 11/25/2005 3:25:51 PM PST by Hildy
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To: paulat
If the father was stationed in a foreign country...would he SIT DOWN ON THE TARMAC if another country's anthem was played???!!! Save the fights for when they're really necessary.

The kid wasn't in a foreign country, he was in the US and the fight was fought when it should have been fought, which is here and now. He was perfectly in his rights and the school was 100 percent wrong.

Common curtesy? Forced down their throats? If we played the US anthem in Mexico I would not expect the Mexican citizens to stand, or expect them to be forced to stand. Evidently you think that teachers in this country have the authority of dictators over our children!

43 posted on 11/25/2005 3:26:58 PM PST by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, I don't want to go!)
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To: Grizzled Bear
Our high school apparently chose on Sept. 16 not to hold an assembly on the Constitution of the United States, but to educate our youth on the patriotic elements of another country.

Let's not forget this.

44 posted on 11/25/2005 3:27:18 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: alancarp

I went to St. Patrick's grade school. On March 17 every year...we were inundated with the Irish national anthem, flag, etc.

It didn't kill me.

I still say pick your battles a bit better.


45 posted on 11/25/2005 3:27:19 PM PST by paulat
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To: chicagolady; Clint N. Suhks; af_vet_1981; Fred Hayek; jodiluvshoes; MAK1179; briansb; txradioguy; ..

"Tyranny of Liberal Academia" ping list:


46 posted on 11/25/2005 3:28:43 PM PST by Lloyd227
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To: Focault's Pendulum
I suggest you check in with JimRob and learn who I am. Try checking out the people you're looking to slam...before you attempt to Log In!!!

This sounds a little on the "do you know who I am" side. Kind of full of yourself aren't you? After all you did mistake the poster for the man who wrote the article.

47 posted on 11/25/2005 3:29:42 PM PST by calex59 (If you have to take me apart to get me there, I don't want to go!)
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To: chicagolady

Sorry, I would have come down on the kid as well. When I was in school, we had to stand at assembly until the principal told us we could sit down. Period.


48 posted on 11/25/2005 3:30:16 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: john drake

Let's back up, you want to intimidate (read bully) these people to what end?


49 posted on 11/25/2005 3:31:27 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: chicagolady

On the main contact page of the school's website, Richard's other e-mail is listed as RichardWebb@u-46.org , one may be filtered.


50 posted on 11/25/2005 3:31:37 PM PST by Uddercha0s
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To: calex59
If we played the US anthem in Mexico I would not expect the Mexican citizens to stand

If I were a Mexican citizen, I would stand to show common courtesy.

I believe at the Olympics each country respects each other's anthems. At the medals ceremony...you don't see the silver and bronze medalists SITTING DOWN on the podium while the gold medalists' anthem is played.

51 posted on 11/25/2005 3:31:43 PM PST by paulat
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To: chicagolady

OTOH, I taught my kids (at a very early age) to stand
quietly at attention during the playing of the American
National anthem when we attended MLB and NHL games
when the Blue Jays and the Leafs when American teams were
in town.
They even stood quietly at attention for the Russian
National anthem when the Ruskies were playing for the
Canada cup.
I do not think that lack of respect for foreign national
anthems is necessarily a vitue..
So, I wouldn't raise the kid to hero status....


52 posted on 11/25/2005 3:32:19 PM PST by CaptainCanada (Don't pee in my boots and then tell me it's raining............)
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To: Melas

Thank heavens! Another voice of common sense!


53 posted on 11/25/2005 3:33:22 PM PST by paulat
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To: chicagolady

bttt!!!


54 posted on 11/25/2005 3:33:59 PM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: paulat

Those were my thoughts exactly. You show courtesy to another country and its citizens without showing any disrespect to your own. Unfortunately , this kid and his father lack that kind of wisdom.


55 posted on 11/25/2005 3:34:00 PM PST by Melas (What!? Read or learn something? Why would anyone do that, when they can just go on being stupid)
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To: CaptainCanada

And ANOTHER voice of common sense!


56 posted on 11/25/2005 3:34:02 PM PST by paulat
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To: mewzilla

The bastards don't want kids to learn about the Constitution. That might lead them to think about responsibility and true freedom.

I pray to God that it backfires. All we can really do is encourage the next generation to read and learn; not follow blindly.


57 posted on 11/25/2005 3:34:21 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: mewzilla
When are more parents going to wake up to what is going on in our schools? This morning on Fox a father from Mass. who was arrested because he refused to leave a school board meeting until they explained why and when his child, who is in Kindergarden, was going to get their stated eduction on homeosexuality (as was stated in some documents sent home with the child)... my impression was he planned to keep the child home during this teaching period.

I guess GLISSEN has such a hold in Kerry's State that this training is manditory upon first entering school. And, of course, we all know the Califoria 9th Circuit saying we don't have any rights re: our own children.

I personally think this is the USA and we need to be teaching our constitutution, standing for our flag and teaching in English.

58 posted on 11/25/2005 3:35:47 PM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Grizzled Bear

Well, FWIW, sounds to me like this particular dad is doing just that :)


59 posted on 11/25/2005 3:35:52 PM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: paulat

And you were required to attend? You had no choice but to stand? I don't believe you.


60 posted on 11/25/2005 3:35:55 PM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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