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Iraq abuse as bad now as under Saddam -former PM [Barf Alert]
Reuters ^ | 26 Nov 2005

Posted on 11/26/2005 6:01:11 PM PST by ncountylee

LONDON, Nov 26 (Reuters) - Abuse of human rights in Iraq is as bad now as it was under Saddam Hussein, if not worse, former prime minister Iyad Allawi said in an interview published on Sunday.

"People are doing the same as (in) Saddam Hussein's time and worse. It is an appropriate comparison," Allawi told British newspaper The Observer.

"People are remembering the days of Saddam," said Allawi, a secular Shi'ite and former Baathist who is standing in elections scheduled for Dec. 15. "These are the precise reasons why we fought Saddam Hussein and now we are seeing the same things.

"We are hearing about secret police, secret bunkers where people are being interrogated," said Allawi in an apparent reference to the discovery of a bunker at the Shi'ite-run Interior Ministry where 170 men were held prisoner, beaten, half-starved and in some cases tortured.

"A lot of Iraqis are being tortured or killed in the course of interrogations."

Allawi said the Interior Ministry, which has tried to brush off the scandal over the bunker, was afflicted by a "disease".

If it is not cured, he said, it "will become contagious and spread to all ministries and structures of Iraq's government".

(Excerpt) Read more at alertnet.org ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: allawi; iraq
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1 posted on 11/26/2005 6:01:11 PM PST by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee
The source for this "news item" is an article in the liberal rag, The Guardian. Reuters is manufacturing news, again.
2 posted on 11/26/2005 6:01:44 PM PST by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: ncountylee

much of this is true. much of this is to be expected when an oppressive regime like the Sunnis are overthrown. its "payback".

but Allawi is right, there does have to be an end to this at some point.


3 posted on 11/26/2005 6:04:07 PM PST by oceanview
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To: ncountylee
Ahhhhhh yes.. we are supposed to believe the accounts of a baathist party member....
4 posted on 11/26/2005 6:05:50 PM PST by fhlh (Polls are for strippers and liberal spinsters.)
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To: ncountylee

Did the media believe the word of captured top Nazi officials after the war?


5 posted on 11/26/2005 6:08:22 PM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: ncountylee
This is merited for this load of rotten tripe


6 posted on 11/26/2005 6:10:21 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: ncountylee
Allawi, is a former Saddam henchman, and is jockeying for a more permanent position of power in Iraq. It was a mistake, as useful as he may have been as a CIA asset, for the U.S. to have promoted this guy into power.

I wouldn't trust anything he said...

7 posted on 11/26/2005 6:12:11 PM PST by razorgirl
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Um, people... Allawi lived in exile, and was anything but a friend of Saddam's.


8 posted on 11/26/2005 6:12:22 PM PST by oolatec
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To: oolatec
Right, I don't understand the posts above. Also, why all the love for the Khomeiniacs who are in charge now? I was hoping to see them voted out in December.

Sometimes the Bush-bots can be real annoying. (And don't bother to flame me. I like Bush, but that does not mean I have to buy into everything he says and does. It is not a sin to disagree or criticize the president or his policies. In fact, we often provide him useful feedback, e.g. the Miers fiasco).

9 posted on 11/26/2005 6:16:11 PM PST by trek
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To: ncountylee

One might ask themselves the logical question, who were these 170 people. Well they might, but not the Guardian. No, it's best to get your source info from a Baathist.

Dear Gardian scandle sheet, the Iraqi people and the U.S. are trying to put down extremist terrorism. Those who explode themselves in the midst innocent people are not humans, they are sub-humans. Those who help them plan these events are themselves terrorists or sub-humans.

You can expect the U.S. and the Iraqis to capture and mistreat those who are intimate with the terrorist underworld.

This is hardly an abuse of human rights. The innocent people of Iraq and our military members ARE humans, and they are the ones being blown to bits in case you hadn't noticed. No, you evidently haven't, because I haven't seen one peep out of your pie-hole regarding that inhumanity to man.

F you and the pulp you road in on.


10 posted on 11/26/2005 6:16:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: ncountylee

Wait a minute, I thought Allawi was our guy. Wasn't Washington rooting for him to win in last January's elections?


11 posted on 11/26/2005 6:20:22 PM PST by Berosus ("There is no beauty like Jerusalem, no wealth like Rome, no depravity like Arabia."--the Talmud)
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To: oceanview
much of this is true. much of this is to be expected when an oppressive regime like the Sunnis are overthrown. its "payback".

but Allawi is right, there does have to be an end to this at some point.

Exactly.

12 posted on 11/26/2005 6:32:15 PM PST by wingnutx (tanstaafl www.punk-rock.com)
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To: DoughtyOne

I caught a news report where an Iraqi official -- I can't remember who it was but he was high ranking -- said that torture had indeed occurred but that it was limited to only a handful of the 170 people that were being held (according to him, the rest had been treated humanely). He said it was regrettable and that it was being investigated, but he made the same point that you made, which is that these people weren't just average Joe Iraqis but known killers and torturers and beheaders.

It seems to me that the distinction between brutalizing the innocent, as Saddam did, and brutalizing the brutalizers is far from trivial. Neither is acceptable of course, even the latter, since a legitimate government has to work within the constraints of law and process and all that. But asserting a broad equivalence between the two looks like an attempt to score a cheap point.


13 posted on 11/26/2005 6:47:48 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: wingnutx

Yeah I think he is probably right too./ Payback is hell.

When you think about it this seems to be the national sport, and the only thing these people understand. When the US was running things they wanted us out so I suppose this is what they want. Finish it up get a stable govt, there and get the hell out.


14 posted on 11/26/2005 6:52:55 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: ncountylee; wingnutx; trek
Abuse of human rights in Iraq is as bad now as it was under Saddam Hussein, if not worse, former prime minister Iyad Allawi said.

This is not a shock to me at all.

I think Iyad Allawi is the best thing the Iraqi people have going for them right now. I hope they elect him back in office.

Wolf
15 posted on 11/26/2005 6:56:20 PM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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To: oceanview
there does have to be an end to this at some point.

Why?

Saddam's regime is generally typical of what Middle Eastern regimes have been like throughout history. The primary difference is one of degree, not of kind.

16 posted on 11/26/2005 6:56:37 PM PST by Restorer (Illegitimati non carborundum)
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To: Yardstick
Your comments reflect my views as well. I don't want the new government doing what Saddam's people did. And you and I know they aren't. Check this exact comment out.

"People are doing the same as (in) Saddam Hussein's time and worse. It is an appropriate comparison," Allawi told British newspaper The Observer.

And worse? What the heck is this guy talking about? What's worse than packing ten people in a meter square room for days at a time? What's worse than putting people through wood chippers feet first? What's worse than raping women at will, and if their husbands object, they are hanged? What's worse than forbidding female children to attend school?

The new government of Iraq, the Iraqi and US troops are not mistreating the Iraqis en mass. The Kurds went so far as to purchase air time in the U.S. and place thank you commercials on television.

I'll admit to having my doubts about how Allawi was treated, but you know what, this interview erased any that I might have had prior to this. He is one whacked out dude from my perspective.

17 posted on 11/26/2005 6:57:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (MSM: Public support for war waining. 403/3 House vote against pullout vaporizes another lie.)
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To: sgtbono2002

I'm not sure we can get to a stable government there. At least not stability between the Sunni and Shia. We are certainly doing a lot of good and this article is a load of BS as far as comparing now to times under Saddam, but we are kind of herding alley cats there. Cats are cats, even with shiny new collars.


18 posted on 11/26/2005 6:57:53 PM PST by Sender (Team Infidel USA)
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To: Sender

Unfortunately you have a good point.


19 posted on 11/26/2005 7:07:47 PM PST by sgtbono2002
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To: Sender; Restorer

That is a very good point. As to what Restorer said also.

Wolf


20 posted on 11/26/2005 7:09:33 PM PST by RunningWolf (tag line limbo)
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