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To: GOP_1900AD
I posted this on another thread, but this is the same topic, so if you read it before I apologize. I do think this is an extention of the recent SCOTUS decision and expect to see more of it...

Here is a personal story.

I have been asked (demanded) on my own property to show my ID. Under threat of arrest. Exact words he used were 'do you want to get arrested tonight' He used it several times. I informed the plainclothes cop who pulled up in an unmarked black pickup truck to show me his id first. His buddy walked just behind him with him shining a flashlight in my eyes. I told him he was on my private property and that I wasn't breaking any laws to get arrested. "do you want to get arrested? Show me your ID". I then insisted he get off my property or show me his ID, this pissed him off more. More bluster and threats, not even telling me why he was there. Finally he flashed his id, And I mean a classic flip I couldn't see it. He then asked me for mine. I told him it was in the house and asked him why he was here. He asked me again if I wanted to get arrested. He called for back up, suddenly with in 5 minutes there were 4 cops. I went to my house and returned with my ID, my neighbor waited with the cops with his plastic rake in hand. When I showed my id to him he took it in the truck and wrote me a ticket for an 'illegal burn' which is a 2500 fine and up to 6 months in jail. I had a fire in my stone lined fire pit. I told him it wasn't illegal and I had cleared it with the fire department prior. Which I had. He told me I got the ticket because of my attitude. I looked at him and shook my head, told him he would loose the case and his buddy cops told me to get back in the house if I knew what was good.

I was planning to fight the ticket, however, a week later he called me on a Sunday night and told me that he looked up my record, and I don't have one. He said I didn't do anything wrong and apologized. He told me he tore up the ticket. He also told me that if I had a record he would have felt justified and gone ahead I would have lost the case because of my record.

Out of control if you ask me.

My neighbor who happens to teach ethics to homeland security and other foreign governments police forces was appalled. Needless to say I was looking forward to my day in court with this over zealous ass, but I accepted his apology.

Papers (not even a please) on your own property, right here in Virginia in 2005.

14 posted on 11/29/2005 6:02:57 PM PST by CJ Wolf (BTW can someone add 'zot' to the FR spellchecker?)
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To: CJ Wolf

"He told me he tore up the ticket."

First, I'm not sure I would have trusted him and just not shown up.

but in any case, at that point you might have wanted to appear in court anyway - I wonder if there is any law about cops who issue tickets and then just tear them up ?


20 posted on 11/29/2005 7:26:23 PM PST by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling. ")
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To: CJ Wolf

Sounds like you can make some money off that officer, and I think you should. Multiple cases of intimidation under color of authority, failure to identify, trespassing, etc.


26 posted on 11/30/2005 8:57:10 AM PST by coloradan (Failing to protect the liberties of your enemies establishes precedents that will reach to yourself.)
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To: CJ Wolf

There are exceptions and abuses in every system. Compare ours with, for example, Continental Europe. For a more extreme comaparison, compare with Latin America, Asia and Africa.


32 posted on 11/30/2005 10:28:40 AM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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