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To: brytlea
We have some very cute swamp collies in the Hunting Retriever Club (UKC). They're the little red field variety, a lot more driven than your average show dog. One of them is currently an all-@$$-and-elbows 9 month old puppy . . . he and my little Shelley love to play together, it's like porpoises frolicking in the sea, they leap over each others' backs and run until their tongues hang out. My girl will be 5 in March, but she still is very puppyish in demeanor and just ADORES the little ones (unless they gnaw on her ears, then she gets snappish.) I'm very sorry that I had her spayed, but I promised myself that I would not breed my first dog since I didn't know what I was doing.

Wish I knew then what I knew now, she's a natural born mother, perfect temperament, perfect health, immensely talented in agility and also a good bird dog (that's despite the ignorance of her handler). But we might run into some surprises because she's the product of a profound out-cross. Her parents being from different branches of the Lab tree have ZERO common ancestors back as far as we can trace. When I bred Siamese cats, that kind of breeding always resulted in tremendous variation within the litter that persisted for a generation or two. It was certainly the case with Shelley's litter - they ran the gamut from couch-potato show Lab to my wild girl, and everything in between, and in size and appearance there's just as much variation. I met one of Shelley's full brothers (different litter) at a hunt club training day, and he looks EXACTLY like a show Lab - he's like a double cube, 2 inches taller than the Shell and probably 30 pounds heavier, with a head like a concrete block.

You're right about the "art" of breeding for abilities or looks - lots of times you don't know why you know what you know . . . I don't think there's any money in carrying this research that far though.

38 posted on 12/08/2005 6:35:52 AM PST by AnAmericanMother (. . . Ministrix of ye Chace (recess appointment), TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary . . .)
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To: AnAmericanMother

Actually, I try to keep my COAs low, as I think that even tho you get less consistancy in litters, you might get fewer immune system problems (don't know if that's as big a problem in labs as in goldens). I like to do outcrosses to fairly linebred dogs myself. And, my first show golden was from multi-titled parents (obed, conf, field and tracking). But....I held her back because I was a terrible trainer (and had 3 small boys and a husband who also thought they needed soem attention!)She only got one conformation point, one JH leg, a WC and was one leg away from a CDX when I retired her (we played at agility, but she developed uveitis and I don't think she felt confident on the dog walk etc because of her vision, but maybe I'm making excuses).
If you would like to see some pictures, pm me. She was a sweetie (and an outcross) and lived to almost 13. I am pretty sure (in hindsight) that she died of erlichia, altho we never got a definitive diagnosis. I would love to have her again (but she was a terrible producer--however, I think alot of that was bad choices in sires on my part--that darned *art* of breeding!)

susie


39 posted on 12/08/2005 6:44:57 AM PST by brytlea (I'm not a conspiracy theorist....really.)
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