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A 6th peace prize bid for Williams - (Tookie has 'probably saved hundreds of lives') BARF Alert!
SFGate.com ^ | 12/8/05 | Jim Doyle

Posted on 12/08/2005 9:23:54 AM PST by NormsRevenge

For the fifth year in a row, a Bay Area philosophy professor has nominated condemned inmate Stanley Tookie Williams for the Nobel Peace Prize, citing the Crips founder's postconviction writings and other efforts to keep youths from joining gangs.

"He's a peacemaker because his message has connected with thousands upon thousands of people," said Philip Gasper, who chairs the philosophy and religion department at Notre Dame de Namur University in Belmont. "Mr. Williams' voice has a resonance and a credibility with children."

If his conversion to anti-gang advocacy "is a ruse, it's a ruse that has had a wonderful effect," Gasper said. "He has probably saved hundreds of lives."

Williams was convicted of the 1979 shotgun murders of a convenience store clerk in Whittier (Los Angeles County) and of a couple and their adult daughter at their Los Angeles motel.

In 1996, Williams published "Tookie Speaks Out Against Gang Violence," an eight-book series for children ages 5 to 10. Two years later, he published "Life in Prison," aimed at teenagers.

His "Protocol for Street Peace," posted on the tookie.com Web site, has been used by rival gangs to broker gang truces.

Gasper's latest nomination -- endorsed by 32 other professors from the United States, Canada, Britain and Australia -- came less than a week before Williams is to be executed at 12:01 a.m. Tuesday at San Quentin State Prison. Gasper acknowledged that his announcement at a news conference was intended to highlight Williams' case, one day before the inmate's attorneys plead for clemency before Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Williams' critics have pointed out that around 150 people are nominated for the peace prize annually. The state attorney general's office said last week that over the years, nominees have included Adolf Hitler and Josef Stalin.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; gasper; nobel; prize; stanleywilliams; tookie; tookiewilliams

1 posted on 12/08/2005 9:23:55 AM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, considering Jimmah Cahtuh and Arafat won one..


2 posted on 12/08/2005 9:24:42 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Monthly Donor spoken Here. Go to ... https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: NormsRevenge
He's a peacemaker because his message has connected with thousands upon thousands of people

Given that his biggest seller sold under 350 copies this is an unmitigated crock of shite.

3 posted on 12/08/2005 9:27:47 AM PST by tx_eggman (If we had some bacon we could have bacon and eggs ... if we had some eggs.)
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To: tx_eggman

Hand him the million dollar check and then stick the needle in his arm.


4 posted on 12/08/2005 9:28:24 AM PST by manglor
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To: NormsRevenge
I spent a little time browsing on tookie.com. This is what he regrets:

"I also didn't expect the Crips to end up ruining the lives of so many young people, especially young black men who have hurt other young black men. . . . So today I apologize to you all -- the children of America and South Africa -- who must cope every day with dangerous street gangs. I no longer participate in the so-called gangster lifestyle, and I deeply regret that I ever did."

"As a contribution to the struggle to end child-on-child brutality and black-on-black brutality, I have written the Tookie Speaks Out Against Gang Violence children's book series."

This is the substance of his "apology" and his message. There isn't a word of sympathy for his victims, or other innocent victims of gang crime. His sympathy is for the gang members. He regrets their -- and his own -- self-destruction -- that is all.

I think Tookie is still the same racist he was when he murdered whites and Asians in cold blood, laughed about their suffering, and stated that he wanted to kill all whites.

Put another way, his "redemption" is really just self-pity -- extended to those he views as being like himself.

5 posted on 12/08/2005 9:30:00 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: NormsRevenge
I Agree with everything they say good about the man. But one thing remains, he commited several vile and brutal murders. Thus, he deserves to die (even though I am generally against the death penalty, I wont be upset when this guy takes the big nap).
6 posted on 12/08/2005 9:30:51 AM PST by Paradox (Time to sharpen ole Occam's Razor.)
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To: NormsRevenge

All inmates on death row should simply write some childrens books if clemency is granted. It's a sure ticket to Life in prison with 3 square meals a day.


7 posted on 12/08/2005 9:31:05 AM PST by jw777
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To: NormsRevenge

And the same guy probably thinks the Prez should be put to death for saving millions of innocent lives at the cost of terrorists - ironic, no?


8 posted on 12/08/2005 9:34:12 AM PST by trebb ("I am the way... no one comes to the Father, but by me..." - Jesus in John 14:6 (RSV))
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To: NormsRevenge

Good for him. Give him an award for his books and the chair for the murders.


9 posted on 12/08/2005 9:34:50 AM PST by svcw
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To: jw777
Just wait. Clark will have Saddam write one soon.

I wonder who sent in this guy's "nomination"? From what I understand, anybody can "nominate" anyone else.

10 posted on 12/08/2005 9:35:14 AM PST by lizma
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To: NormsRevenge

Too bad for Tookie that he didn't commit his crimes in Illinois. He would have been let off the hook years ago by his fellow Nobel Prize nominee, Gov. George "Lyin'" Ryan.


11 posted on 12/08/2005 9:35:55 AM PST by Southside_Chicago_Republican (Just say "No" to Judy Baar Topinka)
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To: NormsRevenge
"He has probably saved hundreds of lives." """"

Wonderful, perfesser. But his execution will also send a valuable anti-gang message to young people! : "Stay out of gangs and stay out of the gas chamber!"

12 posted on 12/08/2005 9:37:13 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
The Founders were wise enough to include a safety measure in the Constitution just in case elected officials can not or will not carry out their duties.


13 posted on 12/08/2005 9:37:33 AM PST by manglor
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To: lady lawyer
There isn't a word of sympathy for his victims, """

His victims were white (or Asian). Maybe they don't deserve an apology?

14 posted on 12/08/2005 9:39:15 AM PST by churchillbuff
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To: lizma
I wonder who sent in this guy's "nomination"? From what I understand, anybody can "nominate" anyone else.

All nominations were by professors who are anti-death penalty activists. Tookie has also been nominated by one of these idiots for a Nobel in Literature for the same reason.

15 posted on 12/08/2005 9:42:11 AM PST by peyton randolph (Warning! It is illegal to fatwah a camel in all 50 states)
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To: NormsRevenge

Tookie need to go by-bye....


16 posted on 12/08/2005 9:43:42 AM PST by cavtrooper21 (No snappy tagline ideas available at this time... Please try again later.)
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To: NormsRevenge
As I said before.

If all it takes to become  "Nobel Prize Nominated" is for some moonbat to submit your name, I ask, no I demand that someone step up to the plate and put old knewshound over the top on this.

Anyone???

Beuller?

Cheers,

knews hound

Latest Article "Cutting them off at the knees"
17 posted on 12/08/2005 9:45:05 AM PST by knews_hound (i know my typing sucks, i do it one handed ! (caps are especially tough))
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To: lady lawyer

You are exactly right. Execellent post.

Incidentally, you probably know that today is the day that the Governor will listen to the clemency request of Tookie Williams. Each side will have a half-hour to present their best case regarding clemency.

It is probably worth reviewing just exactly what Tookie did to receive the death penalty.

In 1979 Tookie murdered four innocent, defenseless people with a shotgun at point blank range. During his first murder he ordered a convenient store clerk into the back room and told him to "lay face down on the floor you mother----er." While the clerk was begging for his life, Tookie walked over to this young man and shot him in the back at contact range with a shotgun. The rush of blood in the victims lungs and throat made a horrible gurgling sound and the man struggled to breathe. Tookie then fired another killing round into the man's back -- again at contact range. Later that evening while eating a hamburger Tookie bragged about the murder and laughed while recalling the agony, gurgling sounds and the desperate gasping of the victim.

Eleven days later Tookie broke into a small motel at 5:30 in the morning. When confronted by the owner he shot the man point blank with a shotgun. He broke into the owners bedroom and shot and killed his wife at point blank range with the same shotgun. When their daughter came running to their rescue he shot her in the face and brutally killed their daughter with the same powerful shotgun. Then Tookie calmly raided the cash register and drove away with a hundred dollars -- the only receipts for the evening.

Tookie was convicted of murder and sentenced to death for these wanton, brutal acts of murder. During the sentencing phase of his trial he looked over to the jury and mouthed "I will get everyone of you mother----ers."

Tookie is a savage, unrepentant murderer who refuses to acknowledge his crimes. He has not apologized for these crimes, sought the forgiveness of these victim's families or has shown any remorse at all for what he has done. Clemency should be categorily denied.

For those of you who can not grasp the horror of what Tookie has done and would be free to do again if he is granted clemency and set free again, like many of his supporters desire, here are the photographs of his victims -- after he murdered them. Warning they are very graphic.
http://www.capitalideasblog.com/


18 posted on 12/08/2005 9:49:29 AM PST by daviscupper
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To: NormsRevenge

So...subtract those hundreds of lives from the thousands of lives that his Crips have taken, and the result is: Tookie responsible for the deaths of thousands.


19 posted on 12/08/2005 9:51:27 AM PST by Junior_G
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To: knews_hound
It has to be a specific type of moonbat. However, any Congressman will do.

William Wolf Handel (a radio personality on KFI) just got himself nominated with one phone call.

http://www.kfi640.com/hosts/handel.html

Being nominated is a joke.
20 posted on 12/08/2005 9:53:55 AM PST by NathanR (Apri moi, le deluge.)
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To: NathanR
Well judging from my hate mail, there has to be one out there willing to step up.

Heres to hoping !

Cheers,

knews hound
21 posted on 12/08/2005 9:57:08 AM PST by knews_hound (i know my typing sucks, i do it one handed ! (caps are especially tough))
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To: NormsRevenge
"He has probably saved hundreds of lives."

He has DEFINITELY ended four.

22 posted on 12/08/2005 10:07:10 AM PST by infidel29 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
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To: NormsRevenge

Maybe Jimmah Carter can build him a Habitat home LOL and also those for all his Crips LOL


23 posted on 12/08/2005 10:07:46 AM PST by alisasny (BYE B YE TOOKIE)
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To: NathanR

I love the recent KFI promos...

"Bill Handel, Nobel Prize nominee..., "


24 posted on 12/08/2005 10:11:09 AM PST by calcowgirl
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To: knews_hound
I do not care what people say he has done since he has been in prison.
He murdered 4 people in cold blood and he has to pay the price for taking their lives. How many of his victims family members are still affected by his blood thirsty acts? His action, his murders still haunt the victims families each and every day. He deserves to die. He deserves to pay the price for what he did. Any and all money he receives should go to the families of those he MURDERED IN COLD BLOOD!!!!
25 posted on 12/08/2005 10:13:21 AM PST by oldenuff2no
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To: NormsRevenge
Tookie has 'probably'

Notice the word probably. Along with "If" and "maybe" epitomizes the ethos of the liberal mentality.

They live in a hypothetical world. Or what I like to call La-La land. All their arguments start with "What if" or "If". For example: "If we all loved each other there would be no war" or how about this one "If we can somehow talk to our enemies". These people have no concept of reality.

Conservatives are realistic because we see the world in black and white, right and wrong making moral, economic and basic judgments easy. Liberals struggle with anecdotal reports an "nuance" to form opinions. Leading to an incoherent person like our beloved John Kerry
26 posted on 12/08/2005 10:23:08 AM PST by slowhand520
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To: lady lawyer

Well put, lady! This animal sold POISON to OUR BLACK CHILDREN to make himself rich. He killed people in cold blood. Regardless of what he may have done since then, he must answer for those crimes. The intellectuals and elites can go stuff themselves.


27 posted on 12/08/2005 10:43:54 AM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: NormsRevenge

Tookie has not repented. If he truly had repented he would not be causing the current conflict and the distress it is causing to the living victims of his crimes. If he had truly repented he would have released his books posthumously, given the money to charity and refused and/or rejected the attempts by others to keep him from his punishment.


28 posted on 12/08/2005 11:18:13 AM PST by God pays good
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To: NormsRevenge

A 6th peace prize bid for Williams - (Tookie has 'probably saved hundreds of lives'


----Doesn't excuse or diminish the lives he took.


29 posted on 12/08/2005 11:35:14 AM PST by WasDougsLamb (I refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed man)
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To: NormsRevenge

Hundreds may be "saved?" He has thousands of deaths on his hands thanks to the Crips. And that's just in L.A. alone. Only laking in a defined nation state, he's like Saddam or some other heinous individual responsible for widespread policies of death and mayhem.


30 posted on 12/08/2005 1:24:01 PM PST by newzjunkey (FOUR-time murderer & Crips gang-founder Tookie Williams *must* be put to death as sentenced)
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To: NormsRevenge

I must have missed it but does anyone know what williams actual vote tallies have been when the Nobel board votes on the nominees?

zero or one?

This of course will never be mentioned in the MSM.


31 posted on 12/08/2005 1:44:33 PM PST by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: NormsRevenge
If I was Ahnold, I would let justice run its course--let the killer fry.

Furthermore, I would declare a partial martial law for L.A., more specifically South Central, in the debt of night and deploy the National Guard so they would be in position to quell the coming riots.

32 posted on 12/08/2005 2:31:27 PM PST by rvoitier ("Hug your babies tight"--Luanne Platter)
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To: rvoitier

"and deploy the National Guard so they would be in position to quell the coming riots"

I live in LA.
Not neccessary to deploy anyone as no one at all seems to care anything about this POS.

Support for this turd is nothing more than media whoopla.


33 posted on 12/08/2005 2:50:36 PM PST by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: jaguaretype
Just for the sake of argument, do you think the Maxine Waters and Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton crowd will pass up a chance to riot and loot at the drop of a hat?

I don't see (granted, I'm in La.) where riots have ever been reasoned based.

34 posted on 12/08/2005 4:44:56 PM PST by rvoitier ("Hug your babies tight"--Luanne Platter)
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To: rvoitier

Maybe, but it seems the confluence of events......holiday season, colder weather, not a tremedously awaited hi-profile verdict etc...will support whatever these turds try to stir up.

The rioting type of jerks might though be swayed by the opportunity to loot and steal some neato Christmas presents for their families.......sigh....who knows.

I do think that Bratton and Baca are tough enough they'll crush things quickly if anything does happen...."stamp out the sparks" if you will.


35 posted on 12/08/2005 5:04:36 PM PST by jaguaretype (Sometimes war IS the answer)
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To: jaguaretype
Thanks for your 'on the ground' view.
36 posted on 12/08/2005 5:14:18 PM PST by rvoitier ("Hug your babies tight"--Luanne Platter)
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To: NormsRevenge

So ridiculous, it's hard to believe.


37 posted on 12/08/2005 9:50:13 PM PST by ordinaryeverydaychristian (http://ordinaryeverydaychristian.blogspot.com)
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To: NormsRevenge

Even Clinton was nominated.

Go to: http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a39e63f682237.htm


38 posted on 12/13/2005 8:46:03 AM PST by KeyLargo
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