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Giuliani in '08 might be an uphill battle against McCain
New York Newsday ^ | December 10 2005 | GLENN THRUSH

Posted on 12/10/2005 9:06:19 PM PST by jmc1969

WASHINGTON -- Rudy Giuliani and John McCain are the top-polling Republican rivals for the White House in 2008, but the two dinner buddies avoid talking about that topic when sharing tortellini and bresaola at Giuliani's favorite Manhattan bistros.

Their latest get-together took place on Nov. 1 at Elio's, an Upper East Side eatery known for its $30 veal chops. They shared a table with McCain confidante Mark Salter, Giuliani's wife Judith and his aide-de-camp Tony Carbonetti. McCain and Giuliani reportedly chatted about the food, sports and Iraq -- everything but 2008.

The same can't be said for the Arizona senator's operatives, who are girding for a clash between the two titans even though Giuliani could be a year away from making a decision. Some even predict the Straight Talk Express will roll over America's Mayor if it comes down to McCain vs. Giuliani.

"I think Rudy would make an attractive secretary of state or secretary of defense in a McCain administration," Marshall Wittmann, a former McCain aide who is still close to the senator.

"In my humble opinion, Rudy wouldn't get out of the gate," said longtime McCain strategist John Dennehy, who helped engineer the Arizona senator's victorious 2000 primary in New Hampshire.

(Excerpt) Read more at nynewsday.com ...


TOPICS: News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; defeatism; giuliani2008; giussolini; gopprimary; guiliani; mccain; mccain2008; nuclearoption; rino
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To: cgbg

Great choice! I too would like to see Haley run.


61 posted on 12/10/2005 10:31:44 PM PST by nopardons
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To: cgbg

Haley Barbour is definitely the best man, but the best man doesn't always win. We still need him here in MS, but I'd certainly support him, should he decide to seek the nomination.


62 posted on 12/10/2005 10:31:58 PM PST by onyx ((Vicksburg, MS) North is a direction. South is a way of life.)
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To: Calpernia

I'm aware of the negative side of McCain and I'm still upset over how the media focused on him when he was criticizing Bush. I just think that we also have to look at the conservative issues that he has compared to other candidates. He's a free-trader too...voted against the tariffs and in favor of all the trade deals.
Also, assuming the war continues, they certainly won't be able to call McCain a "chickenhawk".

I admire Giuliani, but I don't trust him to uphold gun rights and choose conservative judges.


63 posted on 12/10/2005 10:32:42 PM PST by Susannah (If you're from California, aren't you glad your state did NOT help Carter to the White House?)
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To: Collier

McCain is Hitlery's Ross Perot against Guiliani.


64 posted on 12/10/2005 10:34:33 PM PST by JoeSixPack1
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To: bill1952

Rudy never ran against Hillary. I think he would have beat her if he did.


65 posted on 12/10/2005 10:34:55 PM PST by Collier
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To: Susannah

>>>>I'm aware of the negative side of McCain and I'm still upset over how the media focused on him when he was criticizing Bush. I just think that we also have to look at the conservative issues that he has compared to other candidates.

Negative side? Conservative issues? We are talking death of our MIL personnel. How do you call that negative and look for a conservative view in DEATH????


66 posted on 12/10/2005 10:38:08 PM PST by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Susannah
McCain has been saying a lot of the right things lately--everywhere, from sea to shining sea, in front of every camera that he can find.....but, he cannot be trusted, and trust is the most important thing in a Presidential candidate.

McCain is blind ambition, supporting the pet causes of the media.

His campaign finance "reform" bill trashed the first amendment and reformed nothing as campaigns easily circumvented its stupid provisions.

This legislation was so bad that no person who respected the liberties of the American people could have supported it, much less proposed it.

McCain's current pro-Iraq speechmaking is imho a calculated appeal to the Republican base.

He can't earn my trust--he has lost it for this lifetime.
67 posted on 12/10/2005 10:41:33 PM PST by cgbg (MSM and Democratic treason--fifty years and counting...)
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To: bybybill

BTTT


68 posted on 12/10/2005 10:44:45 PM PST by 185JHP ( "The thing thou purposest shall come to pass: And over all thy ways the light shall shine.")
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To: Popman

"In a bid to pick up President George W. Bush supporters, McCain's backers have been casting him as the president's conservative heir-apparent in key primary states like Michigan, New Hampshire and South Carolina, where the senator suffered his most bitter primary defeat."

Something tells me both these men will have alot of trouble down here in South Carolina, God willing.


69 posted on 12/10/2005 10:47:50 PM PST by SC33
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To: jmc1969
I would never vote for McCain. I used to think "anything but Hillary", but at this point, I wouldn't care either way if it was Hillary v McCrazy.

OTOH, I will knock on doors to get people to vote for Rudy. I worked in NYC before he was Mayor, and after. THE MAN CAN LEAD. I don't agree with all his positions, but I completely trust him to kick the tar out of terrorists, which is the A-1 priority.

McCrazy is far too unstable to be President. And he does not inspire any confidence that he will vigorously prosecute the war. He says one thing, then undermines the troops and our efforts. Plus, he hates the first amendment.

I despise McCain.
70 posted on 12/10/2005 10:58:30 PM PST by motzman (It's cold outside, and the gloves are off!)
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To: motzman

Oh man, you must be reading my mind. No way Insane McCain is getting my vote. He'll probably end up as Hillary's running mate anyway.

I'll go out on a limb here, but I'm betting that Gov. Huckabee is going to throw his hat in the rring in 2008.


71 posted on 12/10/2005 11:05:16 PM PST by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: jmc1969

Title: Guiliani 08 might be an uphill battle against McCain

Article text: Last month, a nationwide Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll showed Giuliani beating McCain, 34 percent to 31 percent, in the GOP primary. And 20 percent of Republicans polled said they wouldn't vote for the senator under any circumstances, with only 8 percent of voters expressing similar distaste for Giuliani.

Wow. That is what you call one uphill battle for Rudy (not to be taken as an endorsement by me).

Meanwhile, reliable sources tell me that more than 90% of the pajama people reported that they would not vote for McCain under any circumstances. Not today, nor tomorrow, not ever.

85% said they sometimes wished he would join another party ...


72 posted on 12/10/2005 11:10:46 PM PST by freespirited
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To: onyx

Watch out for Sen. Allen on VA!!!!


73 posted on 12/10/2005 11:14:41 PM PST by Bombard
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To: section9
Neither of these guys can get past the Base.

And nobody in the GOP believes that! Boy, are they in for a surprise.

74 posted on 12/10/2005 11:17:17 PM PST by Howlin
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To: Left2Right
Oh man, you must be reading my mind

Not really reading your mind, but here's an actual picture of me while freeping



I know, I know, I need a haircut.

And a manicure...
75 posted on 12/10/2005 11:17:31 PM PST by motzman (It's cold outside, and the gloves are off!)
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To: jmc1969
Glenn Thrush?

Oral thrush is a disorder caused by infection of the mouth with the fungus (yeast) Candida albicans.

76 posted on 12/10/2005 11:19:01 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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To: motzman

I hear, I obey....


77 posted on 12/10/2005 11:27:04 PM PST by Left2Right ("Democracy isn't perfect, but other governments are so much worse")
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To: Susannah
That seems strange that he would support a Senator who is 100% pro-life and standing up for gun rights

McCain went from state to state after the school shooting at Columbine campaigning for passage of more gun control laws in those states. He also crafted the unconstitutional CFR law which has severely diminished the influence of pro-gun orgs like NRA and GOA on Capitol Hill.

I haven't heard him say anything regarding the abortion issue, but I don't trust him to stand strong for the sanctity of human life on religious or moral principle the way Bush has throughout his time in office.

As for Rudy, no way Jose. AFAIC Rudy is totally disqualified for any high office because of his position on both human life and 2nd Amendment issues.

78 posted on 12/10/2005 11:28:41 PM PST by epow ("Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people" Prov. 14:34)
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To: jmc1969
Giuliani: Gun grabbing, gay-loving, pro-abort, pro-spending, corrupt associations. Loved by the liberal media due to the above positions. OVERRATED due to September 11th.

McCain: Good on pork barrel spending, pro-life, usually good on R2KBA issues. Nevertheless, has a tendency to flip flop and grandstand if it gets him good press.

I really hope that their are more alternatives. If it came down to McCain and Giussolini, I would hold my nose and vote McCain.

79 posted on 12/10/2005 11:32:52 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me a way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: freespirited

That's because few people, even Republicans, really know about Rudy's stance on important national issue. They only drank the media Kool Aid on Giuliani because of 9/11.


80 posted on 12/10/2005 11:34:28 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me a way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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