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To: Richard Kimball

If 15% of the GOP won't vote for a pro abort candidate, that's about 5% of the voters. Can a guy with Rudy's stature make up that slack among the general population.

Yes, of course he could.

If Rudy gets the nomination and wins the general election, the pro life movement's leadership and rank and file need to seriously rethink things. Checking out of the political process advances no legitimate, meaningful goal.

The sad fact is, and I have mentioned this on FR many times, is that the pro life movement is a mess with very little to show for its work since 1973. They have lost ground and have been beaten back so far that they can't even get the california proposition for parental notification for minors seeking abortions passed.

As I have said many times on FR, the pro life leadership is stuck on stupid: they insist on fighting the 1973 abortion battle that they lost. They have been refighting that battle and losing ever since, unable to cope with the fact that most Americans are against abortion, but could imagine a circumstance where even they might advocate one.

The USA has no pro life majority. It's a mildly pro choice consensus. Sad but true. Lets get to work within that framework.


53 posted on 12/10/2005 10:21:48 PM PST by HitmanLV (Listen to my demos for Savage Nation contest: http://www.geocities.com/mr_vinnie_vegas/index.html)
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To: HitmanNY
You are truly deluded in thinking Hitlery is the be all, end all of presidential politics.

It is time to mount the offensive and not let the left pick and choose what or who we defend ourselves against. You are all too willing to fight from a position of weakness and self-defeat, to defend and not attack.

The Left will not define me or limit the parameters of my thinking. This is exactly what they want and I am not playing their game.

I want to wage a war, not a retreat... which is exactly the thinking behind saying Giuliani is the only one that can beat Hitlery... in your mind you have already conceded defeat...

103 posted on 12/11/2005 5:22:33 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: HitmanNY

Giuliani is pro-abortion, and pro-gay agenda. His candidacy will not be well received in the great red state heartland.


128 posted on 12/11/2005 9:45:30 AM PST by JCEccles
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