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Contact Info: Four Republicans Who Voted Against the Patriot Act
The Associated Press via Yahoo News ^ | December 16, 2005

Posted on 12/16/2005 10:58:09 AM PST by new yorker 77

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To: justshutupandtakeit
Lawns or no, blades or no. We do not live in a police state and anyone claiming that simply does not know what a police state is.

Count me among those who would like to head it off before it gets there. Thusly my complaints. Consider it a canary in the coal mine.

201 posted on 12/22/2005 7:36:08 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Over it is not, until over it is." -- Yoda Berra)
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To: Lazamataz

You will find none more determined to prevent such than I. However premature claims one exists weakens the ability to fight it. Remember the Boy Who Cried Wolf. I don't want people to say when the wolf arrives "Pay no attention it is just the conservatives complaining about nothing again."


202 posted on 12/22/2005 7:52:30 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (Public Enemy #1, the RATmedia.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
You will find none more determined to prevent such than I. However premature claims one exists weakens the ability to fight it.

I personally feel that warrantless searches with no notification is of the level of importance as to raise the general alarm.

203 posted on 12/22/2005 7:56:46 AM PST by Lazamataz ("Over it is not, until over it is." -- Yoda Berra)
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To: Lazamataz; Carry_Okie; justshutupandtakeit; Travis McGee
I personally feel that warrantless searches with no notification is of the level of importance as to raise the general alarm.

As do I. There has been a lot of hype from Washington in tight little sound bites about not letting this thing expire. A few tweaks to it would have made it a lot better. I'm grateful for the limited, six-month extension. It's shameful that so many want these chariot-wide gaps in unconstitutionality to be made into permanent law.

This has been, and always will be about immigration. Our multiculturalist "patriots" in Washington thrive on the platitudes of the Civil Rights era. They've been tested and found wanting. Yet we continue to import wogs in unprecedented numbers.

As long as we have wogs here, Washington will have an automatic excuse to spy on everyone. The dirty secret is that they don't care to resolve the dilemma. To them, it's no dilemma.

Send the wogs packing, and Washington loses its excuse to burn the Constitution in the name of "patriotism."

204 posted on 12/22/2005 10:56:08 AM PST by John Filson
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To: John Filson
Send the wogs packing, and Washington loses its excuse to burn the Constitution in the name of "patriotism."

How would you propose to demarcate those who possess citizenship, particularly those of the second generation? That may well be a Constitutional pit far worse than what you propose.

205 posted on 12/22/2005 11:09:26 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

I'd start with ending wog incoming travel and immigration, and then move to deporting legal wog immigrants who are still without citizenship. It would send a warning to those who've recently earned it, and those who are second generation. I think the lessons of England (bombings) Holland (murdered film maker), France (riots), and Australia (riots) must not be ignored.


206 posted on 12/22/2005 11:22:22 AM PST by John Filson
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To: John Filson
I think the lessons of England (bombings) Holland (murdered film maker), France (riots), and Australia (riots) must not be ignored.

Obviously not, but with two million Arab Muslims already here, what fraction are deportable?

207 posted on 12/22/2005 11:24:55 AM PST by Carry_Okie (There are people in power who are truly evil.)
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To: Carry_Okie

Just ending immigration and incoming travel for all known wogs without American citizenship (why stop at Arabs?) would be a massive improvement. That alone would put the message out that we were no longer playing footsie with the culture of destruction. But these ideas are considered "outlandish," while spying on Americans is considered "mildly controversial."


208 posted on 12/22/2005 11:28:22 AM PST by John Filson
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