[new yorker 77]

You can take a vacation with McCain and Bin Laden.

There is nothing unconstitutional about the Patriot Act.

There is something very stupid about those who look to make forgetting 9-11 our national pastime.

[Lecie]

I agree with you.

These are what expire at the end of the year:

(AP) -- Sixteen provisions of the USA Patriot Act expire December 31 if not renewed by Congress:

Section 201: Gives federal officials the authority to intercept wire, spoken and electronic communications relating to terrorism.

Section 202: Gives federal officials the authority to intercept wire, spoken and electronic communications relating to computer fraud and abuse offenses.

Subsection 203(b): Permits the sharing of grand jury information that involves foreign intelligence or counterintelligence with federal law enforcement, intelligence, protective, immigration, national defense or national security officials

Subsection 203(d): Gives foreign intelligence or counterintelligence officers the ability to share foreign intelligence information obtained as part of a criminal investigation with law enforcement.

Section 204: Makes clear that nothing in the law regarding pen registers -- an electronic device which records all numbers dialed from a particular phone line -- stops the government's ability to obtain foreign intelligence information.

Section 206: Allows federal officials to issue roving "John Doe" wiretaps for spy and anti-terrorism investigations.

Section 207: Increases the amount of time that federal officials may watch people they suspect are spies or terrorists.

Section 209: Permits the seizure of voicemail messages under a warrant.

Section 212: Permits Internet service providers and other electronic communication and remote computing service providers to hand over records and e-mails to federal officials in emergency situations.

Section 214: Allows use of a pen register or trap and trace devices -- a device that records the originating phone numbers of all incoming calls on a particular phone line -- in international terrorism or spy investigations.

Section 215: Authorizes federal officials to obtain "tangible items" like business records, including those from libraries and bookstores, for foreign intelligence and international terrorism investigations.

Section 217: Makes it lawful to intercept the wire or electronic communication of a computer hacker or intruder in certain circumstances.

Section 218: Allows federal officials to wiretap or watch suspects if foreign intelligence gathering is a "significant purpose" for seeking a Federal Intelligence Surveillance Act order. The pre-Patriot Act standard said officials could ask for the surveillance only if it was "the" sole or main purpose.

Section 220: Provides for nationwide service of search warrants for electronic evidence.

Section 223: Amends the federal criminal code to provide for administrative discipline of federal officers or employees who violate prohibitions against unauthorized disclosures of information gathered under this act.

Section 225: Amends FISA to prohibit lawsuits against people or companies that provide information to federal officials for a terrorism investigation.

[libertyman]

yada yada yada.........same old talking points. I'm so tired of hearing this BS all the time.

[jammer]

You can take a vacation with McCain and Bin Laden.

First you say this. Do you expect a rational person to take you seriously on the following (wrong) statements after making that odious, cheapshot, incorrect, non-sequitor?

There is nothing unconstitutional about the Patriot Act.

Bull.

[BlackbirdSST]

You can take a vacation with McCain and Bin Laden. There is nothing unconstitutional about the Patriot Act. There is something very stupid about those who look to make forgetting 9-11 our national pastime.

So, your contention is, if we only had the unPatriot Act in place on 9/10, 9/11 would never have happened. Further, that with the unPatriot Act in place, that it will never happen again? Are you really making that statement? Really? Sorry slick, YOU don't have the right to forfeit my FReedom, so you can FEEL safe. This will be the first Kudo's I've sent to the U.S. Senate in years! Blackbird.

[mr_hammer]

Oh Ya! quit drinking the kool-aid!

At issue for gun owners is a provision that would allow the FBI to obtain "firearms sales records." The bill extends Section 215 of the PATRIOT Act and allows agents of the federal government to get "firearms sales records" which, in their opinion, are relevant to investigating terrorism.

These records would be obtained from gun dealers, who are required by law to keep the gun purchase records (4473 forms). Thus, an anti-gun administration could then easily compile gun owner registration lists -- an enterprise which has often been a prelude to gun confiscation.