Creation evangelist derides evolution as ‘dumbest’ theory [Kent Hovind Alert!]

University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee Post ^ | 17 December 2005 | Kayla Bunge

[b_sharp]

Kudos.

[b_sharp]

What about it? Please elaborate.

[eleni121]

A while back I was involved in an "exchange" with the esteemed RWP - and realized I had blundered into the halls of the insane! LOL

[b_sharp]

Sorry Elsie but I just can't resist.

"My wisdom teeth are over 50 years old and my jaw has no problems holding them.

I guess this means you have a big mouth. ;P

[b_sharp]

"The huge canyons, some hundreds of feet deep and in solid rock, around Mount Saint Helens were made in a matter of days. While probably not in half an hour, it is possible for the Grand Canyon to be formed fast.

Do you have any links to information about those canyons? Anything with pictures, measurements, and strata type?

[Stultis]

Me: "Do you believe humans originated from monkeys?"

You: "No, and I am not aware of anyone who accepts evolution who does."

Often the accuser of a lie is the originator of it.

You're equivocating two claims that have different meanings. (Frankly I think you're doing so intentionally as a disruption tactic. But I could be wrong. Maybe you ARE that dense.)

"Humans originated from monkeys."

...is not, I repeat NOT, equivalent to the claim that...

"Humans and monkeys share common ancestry."

For instance you and your sister (or a cousin, or an uncle) "share common ancestry". This does not mean that your originated FROM your sister (or cousin, or uncle).

In short, while the second claim is true (humans and monkeys do share a common ancestry) the second is FALSE. Humans did not originate from monkeys. But then you have been told this.

In fact MONKEYS as a group have nothing to do with the human lineage. Monkeys split off from other primates millions, indeed tens of millions, of years before Humans and APES split. New World Monkeys split off about 40 million years ago and Old World Monkeys about 30 million years ago. The Ape/Human split only occurred a few million years ago.

[Elsie]

It was merely an attempt to inject a bit of whimsy into a thread that, just a few days before Christmas, has folks fussing quite nastily toward each other.... ;^)

[Elsie]

Hey!!!!! ;^)

[b_sharp]

"It was merely an attempt to inject a bit of whimsy into a thread that, just a few days before Christmas, has folks fussing quite nastily toward each other.... ;^)

I know and I thank you for that. It made me laugh.

[Elsie]

But...

was the split amicable?


Who got custody of the pets?

[Elsie]

Not so much the timing, but the effects of rapid, voluminous amounts of water taking away LOTS of earth and rock.

[Elsie]

No scientifically literate person would say humans descended from monkeys.

Then we descended from PRE-monkeys?

[Stultis]

Yes, you are correct, Dimensio DID say, correctly, that "Humans and monkeys share common ancestry". However, well, to quote her:

I have not said that humans originated from monkeys, I said that humans and monkeys share common ancestry.

Once again, THESE ARE NOT EQUIVALENT CLAIMS. Your entire and only point depends on these claims being interchangeable, BUT THEY ARE NOT. See my preceeding to Baraonda. Everyone else understands this except you and Baraonda, which is making you look increasingly foolish (or trollish) so please try to catch up.

[js1138]

Then we descended from PRE-monkeys?

Modern monkeys and humans share a common ancestor. Even C.S. Lewis would agree to that. Even the folks defending ID at the Dover trial would admit that.

[andysandmikesmom]

Thanks much to you...I am usually just a lurker, such as yourself, and appreciate that you have been following this thread and like all other lurkers and other posters, you can see for yourself, who argues and discusses the matter in what particular way...that is the precise reason why I do not like any posts to ever be deleted, which sometimes does happen on various threads(tho I understand, that many of the deleted posts are really extremely vulgar posts, and not really appropriate for FR readers...still my personal opinion is that even really vulgar posts have their purpose, namely that they expose the poster)...

But I will mention something that I had not thought of...the posters who resort to using the CAPS tactic...I always get a laugh at that...yeah, use all those CAPS, so we can imagine you shouting away during your tirade...its like a child having a temper tantrum...if you cannot get your point across by normal dialog, then by all means shout louder and louder...its generally a useless tactic, as the other posters and lurkers know, that the poster using the all CAPS method, is now in the shout mode, and who knows where it will go from there...but its always fun to watch...

Again, thanks for your comments, and you should join in once in a while...your description of yourself, regarding both science and theology, is also an apt description of myself, yet the way we can learn is to read, to discuss, and then come to a better understanding...Join in...

And if you want, ask PatrickHenry to add you to his ping list...that way you can be alerted to all pertinent threads concerning the evo/creation/ID debate...in that way, you will be sure to miss nothing...

[darbymcgill]

and realized I had blundered into the halls of the insane!

Do not despair, if you can slalom through the ideologues there are some interesting tidbits of sanity to be found on both sides... But alas, at times it is burdensome.

[wolfcreek]

P.S. It's not smart to publicly call evolution stupid if you're trying to convince people of creationism.

I called his theory ignorant, not stupid, there's a big difference! The Grand canyon is made up of many layers of rock of various hardness and is more than a mile deep in some areas. Your going to have to show me more than a jar with mud in it to prove your point.

[Elsie]

Even C.S. Lewis would agree to that.

He would?

How does we know?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

What a racket evos have...when one theory is found to be false, another theory is quickly postulated to cover the first error.

Sounds like a description of the Catholic Magic Sturnum. (Magesterium)

[Full Court]

I am a Christian, I believe the Bible and I worship God in spirit and truth. Now why you feel called to attack me and my religious beliefs remains a mystery unless you are a Muslim or Atheist or some other Christ hating type person.