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The Civillian Toll of War (Pre-Saddam vs. Post Saddam #'s)
NY Times ^
| 12/19/05
Posted on 12/19/2005 7:15:03 AM PST by finnman69
note the differences between post and pre-Saddam Iraq.
(Excerpt) Read more at graphics8.nytimes.com ...
TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; mdm; saddam
other related comments here: http://althouse.blogspot.com/2005/12/civilian-death-toll.html
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat2.htm
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:15:05 AM PST
by
finnman69
To: finnman69
To: finnman69
These charts are heavily skewed.
For instance - the Iran/War is ignored (1,000,000 million dead).
Sudan is just from 2003 - over 1,000,000 killed since 1980.
Cuba? North Korea? Cambodia? Syria? I guess recent socialist states don't count.
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:21:10 AM PST
by
2banana
(My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
To: GoforBroke
That's not true. I heard a lady call in on CSPAN last night after the Presidents' speech and she said there were over 100,00 deaths beacause of the Iraq war. /sarc
To: finnman69
ping
Oh yeah, but Bush is Hitler.
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:23:42 AM PST
by
domenad
(In all things, in all ways, at all times, let honor guide me.)
To: finnman69
This also does not take into account the many thousands of people Saddam likely killed every year since the First Gulf War.
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:24:57 AM PST
by
atomicpossum
(Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
To: finnman69
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:26:16 AM PST
by
Cliff Dweller
("get thar fustest with the mostest." GEN NB Forrest)
To: finnman69
Also, Bush's numbers specifically include those killed by the terrorists we call 'insurgents.'
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:26:57 AM PST
by
atomicpossum
(Replies should be as pedantic as possible. I love that so much.)
To: finnman69
wheres the iraq internal violence from 91-03?
To: finnman69
Not to mention communism. 100,000,000.
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:28:39 AM PST
by
Paul_Denton
(The U.S. should adopt the policy of Oom Shmoom: Israeli policy where no one gives a sh*t about U.N.)
To: finnman69
This is from the NY Times? Makes one wonder why they don't look at numbers like these and think that maybe what we are doing does have a positive effect. They say we can't win the war on terror and I agree. I would also say that we can't win the war on crime either. We should therefore conclude that we should just stop this fighting for our (and our neighbors) pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.
NOT!!!!!!
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:33:05 AM PST
by
Who is Truth?
(TRUTH is not relative)
To: domenad
IBQ. Most deaths were male In a country where theres 50-50 male-female. If deaths were random, then don't you think it should be reflected in those numbers as well.
Isn't it likely that those deaths weren't civilians but actual combatants?
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:34:19 AM PST
by
4rcane
To: philsfan24
Perhaps Saddam had to stop using them because it is hard to deny having them when you are using them.
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:38:04 AM PST
by
Who is Truth?
(TRUTH is not relative)
To: Who is Truth?
The tide is starting to swing in the media regarding Iraq. It started this weekend. Bush will go down is being a steadfast leader through a difficult conflict no thanks to the sunshine warriors.
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posted on
12/19/2005 7:51:05 AM PST
by
finnman69
(cum puella incedit minore medio corpore sub quo manifestu s globus, inflammare animos)
To: 4rcane
Most deaths were male In a country where theres 50-50 male-female. If deaths were random, then don't you think it should be reflected in those numbers as well.
You read Richard Miniter too ?
To: Who is Truth?
They say we can't win the war on terror and I agree. I would also say that we can't win the war on crime either. We should therefore conclude that we should just stop this fighting for our (and our neighbors) pursuit of life, liberty and happiness.We are still in a quamire in our War on Poverty and the War on Drugs. I don't know the body count but it has to be large.
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:03:05 AM PST
by
Mind-numbed Robot
(Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
To: finnman69
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posted on
12/19/2005 8:41:54 AM PST
by
kellynla
(U.S.M.C. 1st Battalion,5th Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Div. Viet Nam 69&70 Semper Fi)
To: atomicpossum
Also, Bush's numbers specifically include those killed by the terrorists we call 'insurgents.' The President's number was his rough estimate of the total number of Iraqis (military and civilian) killed in all violence since the beginning of the war. This includes Uday, Qusay, uniformed military, etc. The "30,000 civilians" is pure leftist fabrication.
To: atomicpossum
Yeah!
We have no accurate account of Saddam's Regime atrocities. It stays elusive like his WMD but they're buried somewhere.
The corruption of the UN Oil for Food killed 500,000 infants. Saddam wanted to use the dead babies as political pawns to get him out of UN Sanctions: he claimed the sanctions were causing the infants malnutrition. But the UN gave Saddam all the humanitarian aid to take care of his people but choosed not to give it to them.
We don't know how many adults and children who died from lack of food, medience or vaccinations because Saddam was selling all the aid on the blackmarket to finance his military machine.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/05/25/wirq25.xml
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posted on
09/08/2006 4:10:43 PM PDT
by
Milligan
To: finnman69
Even the Iraq War figure is misleading, because a large percentage of the civilian casualties are being caused by the anti-U.S. forces.
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