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To: BikerNYC
The 4th amendment only applies to US citizens in good standing. Once you conspire with the enemy, that right disappears. You yourself become the enemy.
"persons, houses, papers, and effects" probably doesn't apply to email and cellphone conversations anyway. Besides, none of this info can be used in court, so it is cant be used in prosecutions anyway, only for following these islamojacka$$es to make sure US CITIZENZ aren't murdered.
59 posted on 12/19/2005 10:51:29 AM PST by phs3
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To: phs3
"The 4th amendment only applies to US citizens in good standing."

That is a completely, utterly false statement, and you couldn't back it up if you tried.

What is this 'in good standing' crap? Where does it come from? Who decides? Is there a list?

You don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about, and you really should pause before you run around spreading disinformation like this.

70 posted on 12/19/2005 11:02:26 AM PST by lugsoul ("Try not to be sad." - Laura Bush)
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To: phs3
The 4th amendment only applies to US citizens in good standing.

I believe the Fourth refers to "people," not citizens.

Once you conspire with the enemy, that right disappears.

The Fourth doesn't say that.

"persons, houses, papers, and effects" probably doesn't apply to email and cellphone conversations anyway.

It does. See BERGER v. NEW YORK, 388 U.S. 41 (1967). The government gets wiretap warrants all the time.

The fact that the government does not plan to introduce any evidence it obtains as a result of any warrantless eavesdropping it might do does not change the illegality of the process.
72 posted on 12/19/2005 11:03:13 AM PST by BikerNYC (Modernman should not have been banned.)
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To: phs3
"The 4th amendment only applies to US citizens in good standing. Once you conspire with the enemy, that right disappears."

I hope you're never picked for duty on a jury.

93 posted on 12/19/2005 12:12:31 PM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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