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To: MeanWestTexan

You present no proof that the courts have sided with your quite unique interpretation.

Nobody is arguing that an assocation is an American person and therefore protected from warentless wiretapping. What is obvious is that an American citizen is an American citizen, regardless of assocation, unless their citizenship is forfeited or taken away. And one does not forfeit their citizenship, and therefore designation as "United States person," by joining an organization, terrorist or otherwise. And as long as they are a United States citizen, they cannot be wiretapped without a court warrant in accordance with subclause B of FISA.

I will hand it to you though, you are quite creative. And the world needs creative lawyer types to do things like sue fast food restaurants for "causing" obesity.


288 posted on 12/20/2005 8:56:37 AM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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To: Holdek

And I would add, for emphasis, that ALL of the subclauses must be satisfied, not just one (that is, you cannot pay attention to the part about foreign power while ignoring the part about subclause B) unless it said "OR" not "AND" following each caveat.

Read the law carefully and you will see that's not the case.


289 posted on 12/20/2005 8:59:03 AM PST by Holdek (Real conservatives support the Bill of Rights)
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To: Holdek

1. "You present no proof that the courts have sided with your quite unique interpretation."

http://newsbusters.org/node/3298

Discussing the earlier version of the statute. From the NYT.

2. "What is obvious is that an American citizen is an American citizen, regardless of assocation, unless their citizenship is forfeited or taken away. "

That nice, but there not a "United States Person," which is the protected class under the statute.

3. "And as long as they are a United States citizen, they cannot be wiretapped without a court warrant in accordance with subclause B of FISA."

Here, you and the Sixth Circuit (hardly a conservative court) part ways.

4. "And the world needs creative lawyer types to do things like sue fast food restaurants for "causing" obesity."

I'm a petroleum engineer and a geologist.


312 posted on 12/20/2005 2:06:16 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Many at FR would respond to Christ "Darn right, I'll cast the first stone!")
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