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Mother Sentenced to Four Years in Death of Daughter's Rapist
WMC TV - Memphis ^ | December 19, 2005 | Staff

Posted on 12/19/2005 6:40:52 PM PST by mcg2000

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To: Salamander
By the time they turn 18, 2 out of every 3 women will have been raped or molested.

I'm sorry for your situation early in life, but that stat is just BS.

What happened to you sucks, but now you are advocating that the burden of proof on any sexual crime be lowered to a mere accusation. That is not justice, it's misguided revenge on people that weren't even involved in your situation. This is no different that a black person that had a bad experience with a white racist in their youth and now sees racism behind around every corner.

Oh, and children have always had the mental complexity to fabricate accusations. This doesn't mean that all accusations are false, but to put a person in prison, the accusations should have corroborating evidence.

In your case, if corroborating evidence wasn't available, your parents still should have separated you from the family member. Your parents decisions sucked - it's their fault - not yours, but it's not the fault of other people that are falsely accused either.

101 posted on 12/20/2005 1:13:02 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: najida
So yes, any woman willing to kill for her child strikes a chord in my soul.

Then you are a very dangerous person. A parent cannot go around killing people that they think may have hurt their child.

102 posted on 12/20/2005 1:14:45 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Salamander
And we don't know the back-story, either. The mother may have acted on the final piece of a puzzle to which only she knows the whole answer.

If so, that could have been presented to the police and used at trial.

I guess you have no problem is this mother is gunned down by one of the family members of the person she shot do you? The person she shot was someone's son too - she would only be avenging her child who was never even charged with the crime.

103 posted on 12/20/2005 1:17:44 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: JeffAtlanta
I'm sorry for your situation early in life, but that stat is just BS.

What makes you say that? The reason I'm asking is most of the incest/molestation survivors I know, few if any have faced their molestor. So the 'diminished' capacity of a child doesn't play when you're dealing with a 45 y/o Ex Navy Seal who is just now admitting to being molested by the adults in his family. I've discovered that most keep it to themselves or 'in the family'. But all have the scars and the problems to deal with.

When I was younger, I would have agreed with you. But now, I can say those numbers sound, 1 in 3, sound about right. In my circle of friends and family, its on the money.

104 posted on 12/20/2005 1:18:24 PM PST by najida (I yam wadda yam.)
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To: JeffAtlanta

OK,
I'm a dangerous person.

Next question.


105 posted on 12/20/2005 1:19:07 PM PST by najida (I yam wadda yam.)
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To: MortMan

They acquitted her on the first degree murder charge, and they did her over on the lesser charges the 1st jury hung on. Thats right.


106 posted on 12/20/2005 1:26:25 PM PST by sgtbono2002 (The alphabet channels --spying for the enemy.)
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To: JeffAtlanta
Here in Atlanta, a man was released from prison after 24 years of serving a rape conviction after DNA evidence proved that he was not guilty.

We recently had a similar case here in Green Bay.

A man was sent to prison for 18 years and was freed a couple of years ago when DNA evidence cleared him.

On Halloween a woman went missing after taking some photos for Auto Trader magazine of a car he had for sale. A couple of weeks later they found her remains in a burn pit near his house, her car hidden in his family's junk yard (with his blood inside), and her car key in his bedroom (his blood on it). So much for his wrongful imprisonment case against the county.

I'm not in favor of killing the perp based on someone's accusation, but if it were my daughter, I would confront the bastard. If he laughed at me and asked me what I was going to do about it, I wouldn't hesitate to cap him. Innocent people don't react that way.

107 posted on 12/20/2005 1:43:48 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (The quickest way of ending a war is to lose it. - George Orwell)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
I'm not in favor of killing the perp based on someone's accusation, but if it were my daughter, I would confront the bastard. If he laughed at me and asked me what I was going to do about it, I wouldn't hesitate to cap him. Innocent people don't react that way.

True, but we don't know if he actually said that - that is just the mothers story. The mother showed up at his work and started leveling accusations which may or may not have been true - thanks to her temper no one will ever know.

Anyway, if someone showed up at my work and starting leveling accusations of something I didn't do, I'd probably tell them to "do whatever you want just hit the road".

108 posted on 12/20/2005 2:02:11 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: BlueMondaySkipper
On Halloween a woman went missing after taking some photos for Auto Trader magazine of a car he had for sale. A couple of weeks later they found her remains in a burn pit near his house, her car hidden in his family's junk yard (with his blood inside), and her car key in his bedroom (his blood on it). So much for his wrongful imprisonment case against the county.

I don't quite follow - on what grounds was he released?

109 posted on 12/20/2005 2:03:37 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: mcg2000

Cue the banjo music....


110 posted on 12/20/2005 2:05:35 PM PST by newfreep
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To: najida
But now, I can say those numbers sound, 1 in 3, sound about right. In my circle of friends and family, its on the money.

The stat that was originally posted was 2 in 3, not 1 in 3. In any event, 1 in 3 is still an unsupportable high number.

111 posted on 12/20/2005 2:06:15 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: Salamander

God bless you and all the children like you and your cousins who have suffered at the hands of someone and yet their families still won't allow that guilty party to be prosecuted. I can't imagine that.


112 posted on 12/20/2005 2:13:49 PM PST by cubreporter (I trust Rush. He has done more for this country than anyone will ever know. He's A++)
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To: Wolfie
Hearsay on top of hearsay.

Uell if someone approached me about such an act I sure would not laugh and say what are you going to do about it. I would be asking questions and clearing my name ASAP.

Mamma may have known uncle had done this before to someone else. But the ones who do such acts in general have an arrogance as what can you do about it. Prove it. It's my word against yours etc.

113 posted on 12/20/2005 3:47:09 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: JeffAtlanta
LOL - parents are absolutely the last to know when their child is lying. Daddy's are so easily manipulated by daughters that it isn't even funny.

Not in these cases they are usually among the first to know. They might lie about the homework but it takes a lot of doing to make up a molestation. A parent with a good ear can pick up on truth real quick. BTW it happens much more than you think. Likely in your own family. What would you do if your daughter told your wife she had been molested? Laugh at her? No you see in general the perp follows a quirk ritual and THAT is the give away. The next kid can likely describe the exact same act. Their goal is to steal a childs innocence.

114 posted on 12/20/2005 3:54:13 PM PST by cva66snipe
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To: najida

If my arms were long enough, I'd give you a big ol' empathetic hug....:)


115 posted on 12/20/2005 3:59:24 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: JeffAtlanta
As luck would have it, I just listened to an hour-long program on a Christian radio show that dealt entirely with the subject.

Those "BS" stats are conservative, according to the people who have instituted a support network for adult survivors of abuse.

Bitch at them for their "BS stats", not me.

FYI, there are 3 women in my immediate family.
[one mother, two daughters]

Two have been molested.
One has not.

Just to mess with the curve, toss in the cousin who was definitely molested, as well.


Next question?

"This is no different that a black person that had a bad experience with a white racist in their youth and now sees racism behind around every corner."

That's got to be the most spectacularly stupid comment posted here, thus far.

This is NOT social discrimination or name calling.

This is perverted adults screwing innocent little kids and with horrifying regularity, getting completely away with it.


Big difference.


Wanna know how the uncle in question votes?

Take a wild-assed guess.

[and he's also the most racially bigoted person you'll ever meet]

Welcome to liberalism, tolerance and the destruction of core American family values from within.
116 posted on 12/20/2005 4:13:34 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: cubreporter
"I can't imagine that."

Neither can I, truth be told....;)

I'd be much better off, psychologically speaking, if I could just accept that my parents screwed up royally and addressed the buried anger.
But, I was raised to believe that they were always right, infallible and perfect.
[after all, they told me so]

If I had ever had a daughter, you can bet she'd would have been the safest kid in the universe and NOBODY would've laid a paw on her without feeling my wrath...regardless of *who* it was.


Geeze.
I won't even allow anyone to be rude to my *dogs*, for God's sakes.
There's a bright side, though.

It made me into the person I am today and I'm quite pleased with that.

I'm not like them.

No defenseless creature within my sphere of influence will be harmed without redress.

117 posted on 12/20/2005 4:26:05 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: Salamander
FYI, there are 3 women in my immediate family. [one mother, two daughters] Two have been molested. One has not. Just to mess with the curve, toss in the cousin who was definitely molested, as well. Next question?

Regretfully, this is just more evidence that you come from a very screwed up family.

Many families have high incidents of alcoholism. The proportion of alcoholics in one family is in no way indicative of the number in the general population.

Three out of the four males in my immediate family are doctors. By you logic, that would mean that three out of four males in the general population must be doctors. You see how silly that reasoning is?

118 posted on 12/20/2005 4:30:57 PM PST by JeffAtlanta
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

That is horrible.

In MD a "mentally handicapped man" with a history of molestation/sexual assault [both child and adult] was paroled.

Within one week of his release, he snatched a beautiful little boy from a Frederick 7-11 and took him to a nearby baseball field dugout.
He sodomized him and then beat him to death with a bat.

I never heard whether the death penalty argument was settled or not.
Some felt it cruel because he was something like mildly retarded.

He knew enough to bait the child outside with a Slurpee, take him to a place where no one would see and then commit murder to cover the rape so, IMO, he knew he enough to be killed for it.


119 posted on 12/20/2005 4:34:16 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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To: JeffAtlanta

What can I say?

I guess this is just an innately silly issue to some people.


Here's hoping that you [and yours] lead a life charmed enough that you'll never have to eat your own words.

It's so easy to semantically dispute that which you have never lived.






120 posted on 12/20/2005 4:40:02 PM PST by Salamander (Cursed With Second Sight)
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