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Democrats Say They Didn't Back Wiretapping
Yahoo (AP) ^ | 12/20/2005 | KATHERINE SHRADER

Posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:32 AM PST by The_Victor

WASHINGTON - Some Democrats say they never approved a domestic wiretapping program, undermining suggestions by President Bush and his senior advisers that the plan was fully vetted in a series of congressional briefings.

"I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, said in a handwritten letter to Vice President Dick Cheney in July 2003. "As you know, I am neither a technician nor an attorney."

Rockefeller is among a small group of congressional leaders who have received briefings on the administration's four-year-old program to eavesdrop — without warrants — on international calls and e-mails of Americans and others inside the United States with suspected ties to al-Qaida.

The government still would seek court approval to snoop on purely domestic communications, such as calls between New York and Los Angeles.

Some legal experts described the program as groundbreaking. And until the highly classified program was disclosed last week, those in Congress with concerns about the National Security Agency spying on Americans raised them only privately.

Bush, accused of acting above the law, on Monday issued a forceful defense of the program he first authorized shortly after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. His senior aides have stressed the program was narrowly targeted at individuals with a suspected link to al-Qaida or affiliated extremist groups. And Bush said it was "a shameful act" for someone to have leaked details to the media.

He bristled at the suggestion at a White House news conference that he was assuming unlimited powers.

"To say 'unchecked power' basically is ascribing some kind of dictatorial position to the president, which I strongly reject," he said angrily. "I am doing what you expect me to do, and at the same time, safeguarding the civil liberties of the country."

Despite the defense, there was a growing storm of criticism in Congress and calls for investigations, from Democrats and Republicans alike. Until the past several days, the White House had only informed Congress' top political and intelligence committee leadership about the program that Bush has reauthorized more than three dozen times.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said he and other top aides were just now educating the American people and Congress. "The president has not authorized ... blanket surveillance of communications here in the United States," he said.

The spying uproar was the latest controversy about Bush's handling of the war on terror. It follows allegations of secret prisons in Eastern Europe and of torture and other mistreatment of detainees, and an American death toll in Iraq that has exceeded 2,150.

The eavesdropping program was operated out of the NSA, the nation's largest and perhaps most secretive spy operation. Employees there appreciate their nicknames: No Such Agency or Never Say Anything.

Decisions on what conversations to monitor are made at the Fort Meade, Md., headquarters, approved by an NSA shift supervisor and carefully recorded, said Gen. Michael Hayden, the principal deputy director of intelligence.

"The reason I emphasize that this is done at the operational level is to remove any question in your mind that this is in any way politically influenced," said Hayden, who was NSA director when the program began.

Since the program was disclosed last week by The New York Times, current and former Congress members have been liberated to weigh in.

Former Sen. Bob Graham (news, bio, voting record), D-Fla., who was part of the Intelligence Committee's leadership after the 9/11 attacks, recalled a briefing about changes in international electronic surveillance, but does not remember being told of a program snooping on individuals in the United States.

"It seemed fairly mechanical," Graham said. "It was not a major shift in policy."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., received several briefings and raised concerns, including in a classified letter, her spokeswoman Jennifer Crider said.

Former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle said he, too, was briefed by the White House between 2002 and 2004 but was not told key details about the scope of the program.

Daschle's successor, Sen. Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), D-Nev., said he received a single briefing earlier this year and that important details were withheld. "We need to investigate this program and the president's legal authority to carry it out," Reid said.

Republicans, too, were skeptical.

Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has promised hearings next year and said he would ask Bush's Supreme Court nominee, Samuel Alito, his views of the president's authority for spying without a warrant.

Bush said the electronic eavesdropping program lets the government move faster than the standard practice of seeking a court-authorized warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. "We've got to be fast on our feet, quick to detect and prevent," the president said.

And he was cool toward investigations. "An open debate would say to the enemy, `Here is what we're going to do.' And this is an enemy which adjusts," he said.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; dems; denial; homelandsecurity; nsa; patriotleak; spying; surveillance
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To: The_Victor

"I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities,"

Trust your feelings, Jay.

At least Rockefeller is right about that.


101 posted on 12/20/2005 7:29:44 AM PST by popdonnelly
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To: The_Victor
Republicans, too, were skeptical.

Since when does Arlen Spector count as Republicans plural? He shouldn't even count as a single-tense Republican.

Such media bias.

102 posted on 12/20/2005 7:30:04 AM PST by Trust but Verify (( ))
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To: Howlin
BTW, he supposedly had this hidden in his office safe!

There's your leaker.

103 posted on 12/20/2005 7:30:19 AM PST by Ramcat (Thank You American Veterans)
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To: sd-joe
Isn't Graham the nut job that kept a detailed daily diary of everything he did, every day.

I think that was Bob Graham of Florida.

104 posted on 12/20/2005 7:32:08 AM PST by pepperhead (Kennedy's float, Mary Jo's don't!)
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To: The_Victor
"I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, said in a handwritten letter to Vice President Dick Cheney in July 2003. "As you know, I am neither a technician nor an attorney."

Doesn't sound like the Jaybird is qualified to sit on the intelligence committee

105 posted on 12/20/2005 7:33:02 AM PST by bullseye1911 (If I have to explain it, you'd never understand!)
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To: gaspar
Rockefeller is the ultimate trust fund baby. An elitist prep school and Ivy Leaguer who hates the military and cowers in the face of fascism, he cannot be depended to defend this country.

He is, in addition, a New York carpet-bagging parasite who has cynically used the good people of West Virginia as no more than a power base - thanks to the West Virginia Democratic machine.

His mug, with its beak, is thoroughly repugnant and eerily reminiscent of Ichabod Crane - may the Headless Horseman return posthaste and gallop again through the Sleepy Hollow(s) of the hills.

106 posted on 12/20/2005 7:33:14 AM PST by mtntop3 ("He who must know before he believes will never come to full knowledge.")
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To: syriacus
John D. III died in 1978 in an automobile accident. His siblings Abby, Nelson, and Winthrop died at 73, 70, and 60 respectively. Laurance made it to 94, and David is still alive at the age of 90. Nelson's son Michael probably died at the age of 23 (he disappeared in New Guinea in 1961 and was never seen again).

John D. III's wife was Blanchette Ferry Hooker (1909-1992), so you could say that Jay Rockefeller is the son of a Hooker.

107 posted on 12/20/2005 7:33:59 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Trust but Verify
Since when does Arlen Spector count as Republicans plural? He shouldn't even count as a single-tense Republican.

Such media bias.

MSM template:
One "Republican" agreeing with majority of democRATs = bipartisan support.
Several democRATs agreeing with majority Republicans = "mostly" along party lines.

108 posted on 12/20/2005 7:34:09 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: gaspar
Rockefeller is the ultimate trust fund baby

He's lucky to have become a baby, given his family's enthusiasm for eugenics and "population control."

109 posted on 12/20/2005 7:36:59 AM PST by syriacus (Murtha wants our troops redeployed. I wonder how he'd feel about redeploying them to Iran.)
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To: Howlin

If I had a little more time on my hands, a little effort with Photoshop could produce all sorts of fun and interesting letters in Jay Rockefeller's own handwriting on US Senate letterhead. For example, perhaps a letter to Osama telling him not to use his cellphone because it is being monitored. Or a memo to Joseph Wilson thanking him for forging the Niger letter. Or a thank you to Saddam with cc: to Kofi for including him in the oil-for-food kickbacks. Where are Dan Rather and Mary Mapes when we need them?


110 posted on 12/20/2005 7:39:56 AM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: The Electrician

LOL.......go for it!


111 posted on 12/20/2005 7:40:45 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: Howlin
My memory is a bit hazy, but was J Rockefeller ever associated with any leaks in the past? This could get real interesting>
112 posted on 12/20/2005 7:42:27 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: Howlin
What doesn't make sense is that he addressed this to Cheney, exclusive of all others.

If you're on a committee, you just sit there?? You don't ask questions? Your cohorts don't ask questions.

Not only that, his letter in no way addresses what his particular issue is.

One would think therefore that there would be several letters to Cheney about the EXACT same thing.

113 posted on 12/20/2005 7:42:35 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: bkepley

dims want us to be attacked. what a shame.


114 posted on 12/20/2005 7:44:21 AM PST by JFC (W, I am with YA)
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To: Howlin
Howlin....Despite the "This is my copy" bit it still doesn't mean that the letter was EVER delivered to Cheney.

Note: July 17, 2003 was three days after Novak's article.

115 posted on 12/20/2005 7:47:22 AM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: Sacajaweau
A letter from a ranking Senator on the Senate Intelligence Committee must be replied to. Where in the hell is the reply? If it was not replied to the Senator would have raised hell in writing to the Vice President. If it was replied to in closed meetings the minutes of the meeting would show this.

I think Rockefeller is lying.
116 posted on 12/20/2005 7:48:05 AM PST by cpdiii (roughneck (oil field trash and proud of it), geologist, pilot, pharmacist, full time iconoclast)
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To: Sacajaweau; Mo1

Oh, there's an interesting fact.


117 posted on 12/20/2005 7:48:20 AM PST by Howlin (Defeatism may have its partisan uses, but it is not justified by the facts. - GWB, 12/18/05)
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To: Howlin; Sacajaweau

good catch


118 posted on 12/20/2005 7:50:22 AM PST by Mo1 (Republicans protect Americans from Terrorists. Democrats protect Terrorists from Americans)
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To: The_Victor

"The MSM continues to defend the democRATs. But it is interesting to note that after you finish reading past Rockefeller's lies, most of the democRATs admit they recieved the briefings. But of course the MSM will never put that in the first paragraph."

The only sticking point with that argument is that the breifings the Senators recieved in the Intelligence Committee briefings would have been top secret as well, preventing them from talking to even thier staff about it. I still think that this is a dangerous precedent, especially down the line when/if a dem president is elected.


119 posted on 12/20/2005 7:50:27 AM PST by BritExPatInFla
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To: The_Victor
Some Democrats say they never approved a domestic wiretapping program,..

Based on what I have read, Bush informed them what he was doing; he did not need their approval.

120 posted on 12/20/2005 7:51:53 AM PST by Loyal Buckeye
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