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Democrats Say They Didn't Back Wiretapping
Yahoo (AP) ^ | 12/20/2005 | KATHERINE SHRADER

Posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:32 AM PST by The_Victor

WASHINGTON - Some Democrats say they never approved a domestic wiretapping program, undermining suggestions by President Bush and his senior advisers that the plan was fully vetted in a series of congressional briefings.

"I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, said in a handwritten letter to Vice President Dick Cheney in July 2003. "As you know, I am neither a technician nor an attorney."

Rockefeller is among a small group of congressional leaders who have received briefings on the administration's four-year-old program to eavesdrop — without warrants — on international calls and e-mails of Americans and others inside the United States with suspected ties to al-Qaida.

The government still would seek court approval to snoop on purely domestic communications, such as calls between New York and Los Angeles.

Some legal experts described the program as groundbreaking. And until the highly classified program was disclosed last week, those in Congress with concerns about the National Security Agency spying on Americans raised them only privately.

Bush, accused of acting above the law, on Monday issued a forceful defense of the program he first authorized shortly after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. His senior aides have stressed the program was narrowly targeted at individuals with a suspected link to al-Qaida or affiliated extremist groups. And Bush said it was "a shameful act" for someone to have leaked details to the media.

He bristled at the suggestion at a White House news conference that he was assuming unlimited powers.

"To say 'unchecked power' basically is ascribing some kind of dictatorial position to the president, which I strongly reject," he said angrily. "I am doing what you expect me to do, and at the same time, safeguarding the civil liberties of the country."

Despite the defense, there was a growing storm of criticism in Congress and calls for investigations, from Democrats and Republicans alike. Until the past several days, the White House had only informed Congress' top political and intelligence committee leadership about the program that Bush has reauthorized more than three dozen times.

Attorney General Alberto Gonzales said he and other top aides were just now educating the American people and Congress. "The president has not authorized ... blanket surveillance of communications here in the United States," he said.

The spying uproar was the latest controversy about Bush's handling of the war on terror. It follows allegations of secret prisons in Eastern Europe and of torture and other mistreatment of detainees, and an American death toll in Iraq that has exceeded 2,150.

The eavesdropping program was operated out of the NSA, the nation's largest and perhaps most secretive spy operation. Employees there appreciate their nicknames: No Such Agency or Never Say Anything.

Decisions on what conversations to monitor are made at the Fort Meade, Md., headquarters, approved by an NSA shift supervisor and carefully recorded, said Gen. Michael Hayden, the principal deputy director of intelligence.

"The reason I emphasize that this is done at the operational level is to remove any question in your mind that this is in any way politically influenced," said Hayden, who was NSA director when the program began.

Since the program was disclosed last week by The New York Times, current and former Congress members have been liberated to weigh in.

Former Sen. Bob Graham (news, bio, voting record), D-Fla., who was part of the Intelligence Committee's leadership after the 9/11 attacks, recalled a briefing about changes in international electronic surveillance, but does not remember being told of a program snooping on individuals in the United States.

"It seemed fairly mechanical," Graham said. "It was not a major shift in policy."

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., received several briefings and raised concerns, including in a classified letter, her spokeswoman Jennifer Crider said.

Former Senate Democratic leader Tom Daschle said he, too, was briefed by the White House between 2002 and 2004 but was not told key details about the scope of the program.

Daschle's successor, Sen. Harry Reid (news, bio, voting record), D-Nev., said he received a single briefing earlier this year and that important details were withheld. "We need to investigate this program and the president's legal authority to carry it out," Reid said.

Republicans, too, were skeptical.

Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has promised hearings next year and said he would ask Bush's Supreme Court nominee, Samuel Alito, his views of the president's authority for spying without a warrant.

Bush said the electronic eavesdropping program lets the government move faster than the standard practice of seeking a court-authorized warrant under the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act. "We've got to be fast on our feet, quick to detect and prevent," the president said.

And he was cool toward investigations. "An open debate would say to the enemy, `Here is what we're going to do.' And this is an enemy which adjusts," he said.

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KEYWORDS: 109th; dems; denial; homelandsecurity; nsa; patriotleak; spying; surveillance
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The MSM continues to defend the democRATs. But it is interesting to note that after you finish reading past Rockefeller's lies, most of the democRATs admit they recieved the briefings. But of course the MSM will never put that in the first paragraph.
1 posted on 12/20/2005 6:30:32 AM PST by The_Victor
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To: The_Victor
War is for protecting your life, not your civil liberties. Some day, liberals will understand what is going on. I assume they also missed the speeches by Iran's new head that calls for the extermination of Israel and the U.S. It's fine with me, as long as they start with Hollywood.

My guess, the intelligence was officially gathered by a 'foreign agent' and passed to the U.S. The NSA loophole -- deal with it. All you need is a foreign agent at the controls of the NSA phone call eavesdrop console.

BTW, if you read the 9/11 Omission report they cite FISA as being too slow and cumbersome for fighting terrorists in the new information age.

I guess we need another "see he didn't connect the dots" event before liberals will finally get it. Only reason I can come up with for why liberals are hampering the dot connecting.

Hey defeatists -- It's a war. Get it? The terrorists want to kill us all? Get it yet?

Liberals are not to be trusted with the defense of the country.

2 posted on 12/20/2005 6:33:22 AM PST by Tarpon
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To: The_Victor

I can't believe that even Democrats are stupid enough to think attacking Bush for this will increase their chances in the next election.


3 posted on 12/20/2005 6:34:18 AM PST by bkepley
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To: The_Victor

Half of the dems won't even admit getting the briefings, fools like Graham claim they don't remember. You want to trust these cowards with the national security?


4 posted on 12/20/2005 6:34:26 AM PST by Williams
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To: The_Victor
"I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, said in a handwritten letter to Vice President Dick Cheney in July 2003.

John D. Rockefeller, III sure has a slow mind, doesn't he?

5 posted on 12/20/2005 6:35:10 AM PST by syriacus (Murtha wants our troops redeployed. I wonder how he'd feel about redeploying them to Iran.)
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To: The_Victor

They think they've finally found something to impeach Bush with.
Turley on BOR last night and one of the Dem Reps hinted to just this thing yesterday.


6 posted on 12/20/2005 6:35:47 AM PST by philo (They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist. . . . Union General John Sedgwick last words)
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To: The_Victor
Yes, Democrats please jump on this bandwagon. Just like they jumped on the torture bandwagon, until a poll comes out that most people value the safety of their families more than the rights of the enemy.

What a bunch of losers and liars!

7 posted on 12/20/2005 6:37:20 AM PST by BallyBill (I want NY Times publishers added to the Ten Most Wanted list.)
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To: The_Victor

"I voted for it, before I voted against it."


8 posted on 12/20/2005 6:37:36 AM PST by Stark_GOP
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To: The_Victor
They're admitting again they were too dense to understand what was being briefed just as they admitted not understanding the war resolution they passed in 2002.

Should reconsider which party should be called the 'Stupid Party'.

9 posted on 12/20/2005 6:38:09 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: The_Victor

If one is functioning in the real world, and not moon-bat LaLa land, it's easy to see that this is total BS because thad they been opposed they would have leaked this 4 years ago. That they didn't do this is proof that they had no problem with it. That's the way Washington works.


10 posted on 12/20/2005 6:38:33 AM PST by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten (Is your problem ignorance or apathy? I don't know and I don't care.)
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To: The_Victor

They supported the wire tap before they were against the wire tap.


11 posted on 12/20/2005 6:39:07 AM PST by Vasilli22 (http://www.richardfest.blogspot.com/)
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To: The_Victor
Right. The same people who never read the intelligence briefings. Dumb as Ox Democrats.
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(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie.Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

12 posted on 12/20/2005 6:39:40 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Williams

>> "fools like Graham claim they don't remember" <<

Isn't Graham the nut job that kept a detailed daily diary of everything he did, every day.


13 posted on 12/20/2005 6:40:05 AM PST by sd-joe
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To: Semper Paratus
Should reconsider which party should be called the 'Stupid Party'.

"Stuck on stupid."

14 posted on 12/20/2005 6:41:01 AM PST by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
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To: All

It is amazing to me the people that we send to Congress have no knowledge of what their job is. I have heard more Congress people say "I didnt know, understand, read..." Its scary. What have we done to ourselves? God Help Us


15 posted on 12/20/2005 6:41:24 AM PST by newconhere
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten

If any of the attacks that were thwarted by this "spying" had actually gone ahead and gotten Americans killed, every one of these Dems would have been screaming that Bush did not act!


16 posted on 12/20/2005 6:42:17 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: syriacus
"I feel unable to fully evaluate, much less endorse, these activities," West Virginia Sen. Jay Rockefeller, the Senate Intelligence Committee's top Democrat, said in a handwritten letter to Vice President Dick Cheney in July 2003. "As you know, I am neither a technician nor an attorney."

Why is this guy on the intelligence committee?
17 posted on 12/20/2005 6:42:20 AM PST by stocksthatgoup ("It's inexcusable to tell us to 'connect the dots' and not give us the tools to do so." G W Bush)
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To: The_Victor
This was such a poorly thought out article, it was almost too painful to read. The idea that "some Republicans" have concerns, and then mention one name, and it was shocking to see that it was Arlen Specter. The author takes every chance she can find to make gratuitous attacks against the administration, including the death count in Iraq. I guess I should expect this level of "reporting" from the AP.
18 posted on 12/20/2005 6:45:43 AM PST by Sthitch
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To: The_Victor
Wait a minute these liberals did not give a rat's hairy behind when Clintons were wiretapping, collecting FBI files and that ABLE DANGER data mining for their own political purposes.

We got some mental defects being exposed for them to start claiming they do not back wiretapping.
19 posted on 12/20/2005 6:46:03 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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Sen. Arlen Specter (news, bio, voting record), R-Pa., chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, has promised hearings next year and said he would ask Bush's Supreme Court nominee, Samuel Alito, his views of the president's authority for spying without a warrant.

Why, again, did Bush prop up this guy against Toomey, and then not get rid of him as Judiciary chairman after the election?

20 posted on 12/20/2005 6:46:35 AM PST by NYCVirago
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