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To: radiohead
Jesus is considered one of the great prophets in Islam. He is known by the name Ya ya, IIRC. His mother Mary has an entire sura (chapter) devoted to her in the Koran. So celebrating his birthday is sort of like celebrating the birthday of the Prophet Mohammed.

Due to a strategic decision by the early Christian church to displace the debauched Roman holiday of Saturnalia (sp), the 25 December date also nicely coincides with the year end celebrations held in nearly every culture. (Some Biblical scholars think Jesus was probably born in the spring. This is due to references in the text to shepherds being in the fields with their flocks at the time of his birth. Apparently, this is not the normal practice during a typical winter in the Holy Land.)

In the end, just another reason for Iranians to make merry and exchange gifts. (And they need every reason they can get these days.)
82 posted on 12/21/2005 2:26:23 AM PST by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense!)
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To: Captain Rhino

Thanks for the info. I knew they considered him a prophet, but didn't realize to what extent, or that they'd have any Christmas-type celebrations at all regarding his birth.

Interesting about Mary; didn't know about that. I remember that during the Gulf War I saw video of Iraqi women praying to the Holy Mother at some kind of open air shrine. I didn't realize they also had an attachment to her. I thought they were just covering their bases. : )


83 posted on 12/21/2005 2:30:31 AM PST by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking guts, you coward.)
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To: Captain Rhino

Hmmm...we honor Christ's memory in Easter, too...I wonder, could that have been his real birthdate, and could he have chosen it to make his sacrifice beforehand for that reason?


84 posted on 12/21/2005 2:42:15 AM PST by WestVirginiaRebel (The Democratic Party-Jackass symbol, jackass leaders, jackass supporters.)
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To: Captain Rhino
Some Biblical scholars think Jesus was probably born in the spring. This is due to references in the text to shepherds being in the fields with their flocks at the time of his birth. Apparently, this is not the normal practice during a typical winter in the Holy Land

I would think it would depend on the weather. Sheep are pretty hardy animals and don't really need to be brought in during winter, except during the harshest times, and even then they only need a windbreak. In many societies, the animals are brought in each night, although that's mostly the less hardy cattle. In any event, in most societies, unlike the case in the US and a few others, people would generally live in town, and go out to their farms and grazing areas each day, rather than living on the land is common in rural America. They'd often have community barns and would share the task of watching over the animals. Often it would be the younger people who would keep the animals, thus the term "Goose Girl" for example. Unless the weather was really bad, and often isn't in the Bethlehem area, I would expect the shepherds to be out tending the flocks at least until the more severe weather of January and February, and generally even then.

In the ranch country of the US, at least during the heyday of the "Old West" cowboys, the cattle would be left to their own resources for the winter. Thus the need for a "roundup" to recover and sort them out. (and also thus the need for branding them).

134 posted on 12/21/2005 3:57:42 PM PST by El Gato
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