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New York Transit Strike to End ?
New York times

Posted on 12/22/2005 6:29:07 AM PST by ElRushbo

just saw a headline come across about a possible resolution-- cnbc reporting annoncement may come shortly...


TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: twu

1 posted on 12/22/2005 6:29:09 AM PST by ElRushbo
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To: ElRushbo

Anyone wanna bet the union doesn't have to pay the $1 million a day fine? Either this judge will throw it out or they'll appeal and get it overturned.

Merry Christmas! Pffft.


2 posted on 12/22/2005 6:31:16 AM PST by RabidBartender (Bring back tpaine!)
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To: ElRushbo

I hope they still have to pay the fines.


3 posted on 12/22/2005 6:31:33 AM PST by Popman (In politics, ideas are more important than individuals.)
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To: ElRushbo

I'll say it again: who cares? (besides the sheeple of NYC, that is).

Leftists reaping what they have sown, is how I see it.


4 posted on 12/22/2005 6:32:53 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: ElRushbo

This would be good news - bump.


5 posted on 12/22/2005 6:33:10 AM PST by PilloryHillary (Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.)
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To: ElRushbo

It was pretty well understood that the strike would only last for a couple of days. The union would be broke by then, and the leadership is facing the prospect of going to jail for violating the court order against the strike.


6 posted on 12/22/2005 6:33:40 AM PST by Alberta's Child (What it all boils down to is that no one's really got it figured out just yet.)
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To: ElRushbo

Bloomberg shoud do a 'Reagan' and fire them all!


7 posted on 12/22/2005 6:34:05 AM PST by Rummyfan
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To: Alberta's Child

Hope they lock up their Mafioso leader before it's settled.


8 posted on 12/22/2005 6:34:41 AM PST by sarasota
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To: ElRushbo

$101,000 a year for being a Bus driver?


9 posted on 12/22/2005 6:34:44 AM PST by Dallas59 (“You love life, while we love death"( Al-Qaeda & Democratic Party)
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To: Dallas59
$101,000 a year for being a Bus driver?

Ralph Kramden would have been in fat city.

10 posted on 12/22/2005 6:39:18 AM PST by Semper Paratus
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To: Dallas59

And retirement at 55 with bigtime health benefits.


11 posted on 12/22/2005 6:42:05 AM PST by sarasota
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To: ElRushbo

The MTA must have caved even sooner than I thought they would. Bloomberg cut them off at the knees with his handwringing about not wanting the strikers fined or jailed.


12 posted on 12/22/2005 6:44:40 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: sarasota

keep in mind that they want to lower retirement age to 50


13 posted on 12/22/2005 6:46:26 AM PST by soccer_maniac (www.polipundit.com -- Elections and politics with a Conservative bent.)
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To: soccer_maniac

Unbelievable. A pity the MSM isn't shouting this info from its headlines.


14 posted on 12/22/2005 6:55:52 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Rummyfan

"Bloomberg shoud do a 'Reagan' and fire them all!"
yeah but Bloomberg is no Reagan


15 posted on 12/22/2005 6:56:53 AM PST by DM1
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To: sarasota

Any new word? Nothing on NY1.


16 posted on 12/22/2005 6:57:21 AM PST by NYCVOICE
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To: Rummyfan
Bloomberg shoud do a 'Reagan' and fire them all!

If only...

17 posted on 12/22/2005 6:58:16 AM PST by murphE (These are days when the Christian is expected to praise every creed but his own. --G.K. Chesterton)
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To: sarasota; Southack
And retirement at 55 with bigtime health benefits.

This is going to become a big problem for many public entities, not the least of which is those in New York.

Starting in 2006, GASB (Government Accounting Standards Board) 45 will require that OPEB's (Other Post Employment Benefits) such as retiree health care MUST shown as an accrued liability on the budget, similar to pension benefits. Rather than using pay-as-you-go for retiree benefits (which does not show the "true" cost of health care for employees), GASB 45 requires public entities to estimate the future value of such benefits for its retirees and then calculate an actuarially derived yearly expense to be shown on the budget.

The implications of this is huge. I'm on a local school Board and all Board Members only know is how much we pay per year for health care. The figure cited includes all current AND retired employees. But GASB 45 will change that because the actuarily derived yearly expense will end up going against the bottom line - and may cause school district entities to increase the tax levy to fund this liability.

For the school district I serve on the Board, teachers and administrators can accrue sick time, and then convert that sick time to health care upon retirement - and that is way many school districts handle retiree health care. So going back to our school district, a teacher or administrator can concert anywhere from 17-25 days of accrued sick time to one year of paid health care for themself upon retirement.

GASB 45 does not require entities (such as a New York City's MTA) to FUND the liability, but in reality, emtities will have to fund this liability in some fashion. I believe this will end up forcing many small public entities to consolidate - taxpayers are at their limit in these parts of what they can afford to pay for taxes.

I believe that offering health care upon retirement without some provisions to control cost is one of the worst benefits that can be paid to employees. It is a guaranteed benefit that has a variable cost. In 10 years, I predict you will see many school districts having to consolidate due to the inability of smaller districts in rural areas to increase the tax levy enough to cover the rising costs of health care.

Southack, sending to you, as I consider you well versed in things economic and fiscal on FR.

18 posted on 12/22/2005 7:00:10 AM PST by Fury
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To: sarasota

19 posted on 12/22/2005 7:02:28 AM PST by soccer_maniac (www.polipundit.com -- Elections and politics with a Conservative bent.)
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To: NYCVOICE

All the news I'm getting is right here on freerepublic.


20 posted on 12/22/2005 7:10:51 AM PST by sarasota
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To: Fury

Time to bust the unions and end this socialism.


21 posted on 12/22/2005 7:11:34 AM PST by sarasota
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To: clee1

I'll tell you who cares (besides us New Yorkers):

1. Other unions across the country who would like to try the same (obnoxious and ridiculous) tactics employed by the TWU. They're waiting to see if the TWU is sucessful or not. Judging from the press conference held yesterday by the union's leadership to cry and moan about the "harsh language" used by the Mayor, and the public outcry for their hanging, the answer is: no.

2. The public relations firms who will now be lining up like Russians on a toilet paper line to help "rehabilitate" the image of NYC Transit workers. Although how you rehabilitate the image of old-style (mostly-) minority communists, with French-style retirement benefits, making $60k to drive a bus is beyond me.

3. The people of the City of New York, who, for better or worse, actually drive the economic engine of the country.

4. The people of the City of New York, some of who are currently having to share rides from licenced bandits in taxis with the great unwashed masses from every third-world sh*thole you can imagine, and being charged $40 to travel two miles or less.

5. The stores, restaurants, theatres and tourist attractions which currently have no clientele during the holiday season (the biggest of the year), and who will have to lay off or fire their staff because of it. That assumes, of course, the staff can actually get to work to begin with.

6. The NYPD which has had to keep officers sleeping in the hallways in the stationhouses during this strike so that they are available to their job of protecting the public. The FDNY, which has done likewise.


22 posted on 12/22/2005 7:12:51 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Wombat101

Bzzzzzz! You just aren't trying hard enough, FRiend. NYC is the Nation's largest librat bastion. They are getting just what they have promoted.

1) Unions are in a tailspin in this country, FRiend. Illegal strikes by gooberment worker unions at Christmas time is NOT buying them any friends.

2) PR firms??? Mostly New Yawkers. Tuff tookis for them.

3) The people of NYC that truly drive the Nation's economy DON'T use mass transit anyway.

4) & 5) They are New Yawkers; and mostly liberal. They are getting what they have pushed for.

6) Public service means just that; service. I am a cop in my small town. I can tell you that I'd put up with any such hardship when my community needs me most.


23 posted on 12/22/2005 7:22:20 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1

Dude, stop painting all of us NYers with such a large brush. You're doing exactly what the liberals are doing when they sneer at "fundies." I expect it from them; I expect better from conservatives.


24 posted on 12/22/2005 7:30:26 AM PST by cammie
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To: cammie

Like talk show hosts, posters to internet forums can't single out every exception to a rule.

True, there are many fine, upstanding, conservative New Yorkers. Equally true, there are MANY MORE leftist moonbats that would turn us into a communist state if they had their way.

It is a local problem, for locals to solve. I'll say it again: reap what ye have sown.


25 posted on 12/22/2005 7:35:55 AM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: clee1

"(besides the sheeple of NYC, that is)"

Sheeple??? Back to your trailer park Bubba. I've got one prominent figure pointed your way. You want to come to NYC? We have rednecked tourists for breakfast.


26 posted on 12/22/2005 7:50:44 AM PST by NYDave (.)
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To: clee1

Tuff Tookies?? He's dead!


27 posted on 12/22/2005 7:52:49 AM PST by YourAdHere (Viking kitties taste like chicken.)
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To: clee1

I used to think NYC was all lib. Then I started reading the NY Post. I love that paper.


28 posted on 12/22/2005 7:53:42 AM PST by YourAdHere (Viking kitties taste like chicken.)
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To: ElRushbo

If the city gives into the union, they're still screwed.


29 posted on 12/22/2005 7:54:36 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: YourAdHere

Read the NY Sun. www.nysun.com


30 posted on 12/22/2005 7:55:35 AM PST by NYCVOICE
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To: Wombat101

I think folks Upstate care. Aren't there a couple of obscure state-wide taxes that go to subsidize the MTA?


31 posted on 12/22/2005 7:55:36 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: ElRushbo

Never would have been a strike if the MTA idiot Kalico didn't throw that ridiculous pension demand in the union's face at the last minute.


32 posted on 12/22/2005 7:57:03 AM PST by montag813
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To: clee1

33 posted on 12/22/2005 8:00:23 AM PST by ErnBatavia (I post in slang..live with it or ignore it - reader's choice.)
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To: soccer_maniac

Holy Cow! Do they really think that sign breeds solidarity? How out of touch.


34 posted on 12/22/2005 8:04:30 AM PST by GOP_Proud ("smooth as butt-ahh"... Toolbelt Diva)
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To: mewzilla

The rest of New York should have jettisoned the southeastern counties of their state decades ago.


35 posted on 12/22/2005 8:05:04 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: mewzilla

How about this: I live on Staten Island (the Forgotten borough of NYC). There is an $8 toll on the Verrazano-Narrows Bridge, and Staten Islanders are the only New Yorkers who must pay a toll in order to drive home (there are $6 tolls on the New Jersey crossings, as well). Last I heard, only 70 cents actually goes to maintaining the bridge, the rest goes to subsidize mass transit in the suburbs (Metro North and the Long Island Railroad), with a healthy cut for the state and the city, of course.

Staten Islanders who register in order to get a special sticker, or who use EZ Pass, get a discount of almost $4, however, from many parts of this island, the only way to get into Manhattan to go to work is to take an MTA express bus, since train service (Staten Island Rapid Transit, not part of the strike) only runs along the south shore. The Staten Island ferry is, of course, free, but can only be reached via the train or bus, unless you live within walking distance, and helps you not one bit if you work anyplace other than Downtown.

I totally agree with your "I pay taxes, too" point of view, but when viewed in this light, I'd say you have comparatively little to moan about.


36 posted on 12/22/2005 8:06:24 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: Wallace T.

I'm all for Upstate seceding and forming a new state. I tell friends in red bits of PA that they could come along with us. The more the merrier :)


37 posted on 12/22/2005 8:06:34 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: CFC__VRWC
He said he wanted the fines raised in lieu of firing.

In other words, he felt that docking their pay was a more effective strategy.

38 posted on 12/22/2005 8:07:53 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: cammie
stop painting all of us NYers with such a large brush.

Now you get an idea of what we Kalifornia FReepers get to put up with; but we tend to catch it on a daily basis...(and usually for good reason)

39 posted on 12/22/2005 8:10:05 AM PST by ErnBatavia (I post in slang..live with it or ignore it - reader's choice.)
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To: NYCVOICE
There was a live feed carried by 77-WABC.

I'm listening to the John Gambling Show right now.

The "mediation panel" has said that they've recommended that MTA employees come back to work, while they hash out the pension issue.

Supposedly, Toussaint is going to go back to his executive board with this proposal.

They also want a media blackout on negotiations.

40 posted on 12/22/2005 8:13:28 AM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham
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To: Wombat101
I'd say you have comparatively little to moan about.

May I humbly suggest that you don't want to go there since the MTA isn't the only thing Downstate sucking up Upstate's tax money.

41 posted on 12/22/2005 8:16:05 AM PST by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: mewzilla

I don't want to get into an Upstate/Downstate argument with you, since it would be counter-productive and you'd only be embarrassed (just kidding).

However, having lived upstate (Rochester and Utica), I can certainly understand your plight. Yes, the nine million or so denizens of New York City certainly do exact a toll on the people Upstate, but just think of where you'd be if it were not for Wall Street --- you'd be Vermont, only straight.


42 posted on 12/22/2005 8:19:11 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: mewzilla

PS, while I'm at it, Staten Island attempted to seceede from New York city in the 1980's and early 90's, only to be slapped down by the evil cabal of Cuomo, Clinton and Dinkins.

They made the the argument that the city could not exist without the tax base of a half-million Staten Islanders. And they were right. Staten Island alone accounts for almost 20% of all city income tax revenues.

In the meantime, $300 million was spent to build a new naval base on the island that has gone unused, and which the city hasn't found a decent use for. Billions were spent on housing for all the expected sailors and their families, which necessarily went to "low-income families" (i.e. useless mouths) since it would not be going to productive individuals (sailors and marines), and we now live on a crowded 12 mile by 7 mile island, with no mass transit, an $8 one-way toll (thank you Mario Cuomo), with 600,000 people (and climbing) on it.

Had the folks in the State Assembly (all those Upstate Republicans)taken a stand for freedom, and allowed Staten Island to become an independant city, perhaps Staten Islanders would not have to be smeared with the same brush as the Manhattanites.


43 posted on 12/22/2005 8:25:52 AM PST by Wombat101 (Islam: Turning everything it touches to Shi'ite since 632 AD...)
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To: mewzilla
Central, western, and northern New York and the "T-Zone" of Pennsylvania would make a good state. Binghamton or Elmira could be the capital of the new state. If you added northwestern New Jersey and the western panhandle of Maryland, that state might be as conservative as Indiana. (The state could be called East Montana!) You would still have Buffalo and Ithaca to deal with, but they would be as isolated as liberal northwest Indiana is to the rest of the Hoosier State. Let the New York City-based state have eastern New York up to Albany and the Catskills. Metro Philadelphia and the Allentown-Bethlehem area could unite with the remainder of New Jersey. Metro Wilmington could be united to the Philadelphia - New Jersey combination. Southwestern PA could be attached to West Virginia, which is Democratic anyway. Central Maryland and DC could become another state that would inherit the Maryland name. The Eastern Shore of Maryland could be united with the lower two counties of Delaware, to form another conservative state, named Delmar.

This is the political equivalent of fantasy football, of course. But if it could be done, the Middle Atlantic region has a good chance of producing three or four conservative U.S. Senators, instead of just one.

44 posted on 12/22/2005 8:30:42 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: NYDave

Right on, Dave. It's easy to be a conservative in Arkansas or Alabama. Try being on in New York City or DC. We have first-hand experience of the effects of perpetual liberal government. This strike has pissed off all New Yorkers, regardless of their political persuasion. I've found it amusing to hear liberal, pro-union New Yorkers advocate stiff penalties for the thug transit workers. It looks like this b.s. is almost over...they better follow through on the fines...


45 posted on 12/22/2005 8:35:16 AM PST by joey9004
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To: Wallace T.
This is the political equivalent of fantasy football, of course. But if it could be done, the Middle Atlantic region has a good chance of producing three or four conservative U.S. Senators, instead of just one.

IMHO, a better way to get conservative senators would be to repeal the 17th Amendment and go back to appointment by state legislatures. Somehow, I can't imagine even the most liberal state legislature appointing a$$hats like the Swimmer or the Hildabeast to represent their state's interests in Washington.

46 posted on 12/22/2005 8:38:10 AM PST by bassmaner (Let's take the word "liberal" back from the commies!!)
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To: bassmaner
New York's legislature probably would not have selected Hillary Clinton, but it might have accepted Chuck Schumer and some RINO for the two Senate seats. As for Massachusetts, I have no doubt that Kennedy and Kerry would represent that ultra-liberal state in the U.S. Senate.

I am no fan of the 17th Amendment, but the Republicans have captured Senate seats in the South well before the state legislatures went Republican. For example, by 1993, the GOP held both U.S. Senate seats in Texas, although the party did not obtain control of both houses of the legislature until 2002.

47 posted on 12/22/2005 8:52:57 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: Fury
"I believe that offering health care upon retirement without some provisions to control cost is one of the worst benefits that can be paid to employees. It is a guaranteed benefit that has a variable cost. In 10 years, I predict you will see many school districts having to consolidate due to the inability of smaller districts in rural areas to increase the tax levy enough to cover the rising costs of health care."

It is actually a fraud that has been perpetrated against the taxpayers. Benefits are being promised that taxpayers have not agreed to fund, and taxpayers haven't been told of the future costs of those promised benefits.

If this was a contract for a car, you the taxpayer had been told that your healthcare car cost $25,000...and then ten years later find out that the Seller of the car was demanding another $25,000 in "benefits."

Except, you didn't agree to those benefits...or at least didn't agree to pay the Seller that extra $25,000.

Likewise, teachers get paid every two weeks for current work. Paying them after they retire...for doing no work...is akin to being asked to pay again for a car that you bought ten years ago.

If a car dealership asked you for an extra $25,000 ten years after you bought a car from them, you'd tell them to go pound sand.

Well, retired teachers are asking for that extra $25,000 (or perhaps even an extra $250,000) for their "benefits" long after they were paid for their work.

But the buyer of the car doesn't owe an extra $25,000...and neither does the taxpayer.

The taxpayer is actually being defrauded because the taxpayer hasn't been told the true cost of the promised benefits to teachers.

This is like hiding payments to teachers in a public budget; it's illegal.

If you found out that a $250,000 per year football coach was secretly being paid an extra $200,000 in taxpayer money "off the books," then you'd be outraged because the taxpayers hadn't agreed to those extra off the books payments.

Well, the healthcare that has been promised to teachers is off the books...taxpayers haven't been shown the real amount. That's the same as hiding the extra payments to the football coach in that it is a fraud perpetrated against taxpayers.

Right now, people "in the know" claim that the taxpayer *can't* be told the real amount of future healthcare costs because it is too hard to forecast...

...But being too difficult is no excuse for fraud.

Which is to say, yes, it is difficult to forecast future healthcare costs...but that doesn't excuse defrauding the taxpayers.

It's still a fraud.

48 posted on 12/22/2005 11:27:19 AM PST by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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