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Canada blames U.S. for gun violence
cnn ^ | 12-27-05

Posted on 12/27/2005 6:24:20 PM PST by LouAvul

TORONTO, Ontario (AP) -- Canadian officials, seeking to make sense of another fatal shooting in what has been a record year for gun-related deaths, said Tuesday that along with a host of social ills, part of the problem stemmed from what they said was the United States exporting its violence.

Canadian Prime Minister Paul Martin and Toronto Mayor David Miller warned that Canada could become like the United States after gunfire erupted Monday on a busy street filled with holiday shoppers, killing a 15-year-old girl and wounding six bystanders -- the latest victims in a record surge in gun violence in Toronto.

The shooting stemmed from a dispute among a group of 10 to 15 youth, and the victim was a teenager out with a parent near a popular shopping mall, police said Tuesday.

"I think it's a day that Toronto has finally lost its innocence," Det. Sgt. Savas Kyriacou said. "It was a tragic loss and tragic day."

While many Canadians take pride in Canadian cities being less violent than their American counterparts, Toronto has seen 78 murders this year, including a record 52 gun-related deaths -- almost twice as many as last year.

"What happened yesterday was appalling. You just don't expect it in a Canadian city," the mayor said.

"It's a sign that the lack of gun laws in the U.S. is allowing guns to flood across the border that are literally being used to kill people in the streets of Toronto," Miller said.

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To: Ben Mugged
Guns are walking the streets stalking helpless peace-loving citizens.

They weren't alone. A pack of switch-blade toting SUVs was ridding backup. What's with inanimate objects these day? The whole world is going to pot: Medicinal pot.

61 posted on 12/27/2005 7:05:24 PM PST by Mad_as_heck (The MSM - America's (domestic) public enemy #1.)
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To: Fenris6
Two suspects were arrested and at least one firearm was seized soon after the shootings Monday. Kyriacou said it was an illegal handgun.

But failed to offer proof that it was imported from the US.

My letter to the Mayor:

mayor_miller@toronto.ca

Mayor Miller,

You are quoted by CNN: "What happened yesterday was appalling. You just don't expect it in a Canadian city," the mayor said. "It's a sign that the lack of gun laws in the U.S. is allowing guns to flood across the border that are literally being used to kill people in the streets of Toronto," Miller said.

My compliments on tracing that gun back to the United States in less than a day, that’s impressive, unless, as I suspect, you haven’t really traced the gun back to the United States at all, and this is just a different flavor of MP Carolyn Parrish’s “I hate those American bastards”.

I live in Minnesota, Canada is my neighbor that I’ve visited many times, but now days Canada is the crazy old bat in the neighborhood and the one everyone should just stay away from.

RJL

62 posted on 12/27/2005 7:06:34 PM PST by RJL
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To: Myrddin

Let's hope these thugs don't come to Detroit.


63 posted on 12/27/2005 7:07:19 PM PST by Westlander (Unleash the Neutron Bomb)
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To: new yorker 77
I blame Canada for rampant sodomy.

Wasn't the original carrier of AIDS from Africa to North America a Canadien pilot or flight attendent?

64 posted on 12/27/2005 7:08:19 PM PST by Go Gordon (I don't know what your problem is, but I bet its hard to pronounce)
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To: goldstategop
More knee jerk anti-Americanism on display. They can take their disdain towards this country and....

It's funny, but I saw a documentary recently on the attitudes of Canadian youth towards the USA. Their vile spewing of hatred reminds me distinctly of my very own inner city high school classroom. My students display exactly the same sort of wretchedness. I can only conclude that their youth has been manipulated as ours has by the same liberalism/globalism infestations that control their public schools and colleges.

Yeah they just love our jeans and music and movies and theme parks but they hate our form of government, our Constitution and at least one of our political parties....not to mention our President. Well newsflash: Can't have one without accepting the other.

65 posted on 12/27/2005 7:12:57 PM PST by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: LouAvul
Wasn't this already posted?

Like, a decade ago...

66 posted on 12/27/2005 7:15:54 PM PST by kcar (theUNsucks.com)
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To: LouAvul
This is the libs latest strategy - they are doing it in Massachusetts - having restricted handguns so it is now almost impossible to own one legally, they are now excusing their burgeoning crime rate by blaming gun laws in OTHER jurisdictions.
67 posted on 12/27/2005 7:19:53 PM PST by Fido969 ("And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free" (John 8:32).)
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To: LouAvul
...Canada could become like the United States...

I've lived in the United States for 56 years; and, I've never witnessed a shooting. Must be something wrong in Canada.

68 posted on 12/27/2005 7:21:00 PM PST by GingisK
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To: LouAvul
They have it backwards....


69 posted on 12/27/2005 7:25:08 PM PST by kstewskis ("Go to your room!"....Dan Rowan to Dick Martin)
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To: LouAvul
Canada can stop US immigration at once if they fear we're carrying guns. How else do guns get into the country?
70 posted on 12/27/2005 7:25:13 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Just my opinion, eh ?)
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To: new yorker 77
As a matter of fact, we should thank Canada for Patient Zero of the Aids epidemic. His name was Gaetan Dugas, a gay flight attendant with over 2500 partners! Thank you Canada. Have some more Glocks!!
71 posted on 12/27/2005 7:27:23 PM PST by MysticCrusader (Dead Dog Trick)
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To: Ramius

That is exactly the problem. We can actually learn from some US cities that have tried to fight the gangs and tear them apart.

David Miller and Paul Martin are just playing to their base - and Martin has the Toronto vote all locked up already. All he is doing is suicide - it will cost him critical rural ridings that he narrowly held onto last time.


72 posted on 12/27/2005 7:55:29 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: RJL

Feel free to come up to Canada, just stay clear of the big cities infested by these ultra-liberals.


73 posted on 12/27/2005 7:56:19 PM PST by Heartofsong83
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To: LouAvul

http://www.nationalreview.com/comment/lott200508190817.asp


74 posted on 12/27/2005 8:12:31 PM PST by webster
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To: LouAvul

Aren't Canadians responsible for saying what enters their country? That is the way it works everywhere else. Why is Canada different?


75 posted on 12/27/2005 11:22:42 PM PST by Fair Go
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To: GMMAC
I found this paragraph in a similar article from the Associate Press:

John Thompson, a security analyst with the Toronto-based Mackenzie Institute, disagreed. He said that Canada has a gang problem _ not a gun problem _ and that the country should stop pointing the finger at the United States.

Gangs? Who are in these gangs? Other articles suggest they have the same problem we do - illegal immigrants who are members of unbelievably violent gangs.

Then the article says this (the Liberal "solution"):

Wendy Cukier, president of the Coalition for Gun Control and a criminal justice professor at Ryerson University in Toronto, said a broad-based approach is needed to deal with violence. She advocates a visible presence of officers in communities where guns are a problem, a strong show of partnership between police, religious and community leaders, and a restoration of social and recreational programs lost due to government spending cuts a decade ago.

What "religious" leaders are they talking about? The Canadian government has already targeted Christians from speaking out about sin and depravity. The Canadian government has "hate crime" statutes that they have already use to muzzle Christian leaders who speak out against homosexuality and other sins. Moreover, the number of practicing Christians in Canada is in a free fall.

Do they mean Muslim religious leaders? Are these Muslim gangs?

Sadly, the MSM will never tell us, we have to do their homework for them I suppose.

Finally, as to the "Toronto has finally lost its innocence" claptrap spoken by the Canadians, I can't help be be outraged.

I have been to Toronto, Montreal, and other Canadian cities. I found more sex clubs per square block in Toronto when I walked back to my hotel than convienence stores.

Canada's group sex club patrons swinging free


76 posted on 12/28/2005 3:53:34 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: new yorker 77

Well, they do have a habit of screwing themselves.


77 posted on 12/28/2005 4:06:08 AM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: SkyPilot
Given that any recognizable demographic group could be smuggling hand guns into Canada but apparently only one is, it's plain that urban violence is rooted in imported 'gangsta' culture not inanimate objects.

Rather than admit the obvious, Toronto's opportunistic and ever politically correct Mayor David Miller - like socialists stateside as well - prefers furthering his own personal anti-U.S. agenda to calling a spade a spade and realistically attacking the problem.

Don't blame conservatives up here for his brain dead crap when this sort of self-serving irresponsibility is the hallmark of left-wing morons wherever you go.
78 posted on 12/28/2005 4:53:36 AM PST by GMMAC (paraphrasing Parrish: "damned Liberals, I hate those bastards!")
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To: GMMAC

A lot of wisdom in your post.


79 posted on 12/28/2005 5:29:24 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: LouAvul

Well gosh. New York is the closest US state to Toronto. NY has pretty stringent gun laws too.

Maybe if they're lucky, Canada can ban knives too like Britain has had to do.


80 posted on 12/28/2005 5:52:27 AM PST by Doohickey (If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice...I will choose freewill.)
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