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To: Prodigal Son

"I guarantee that if this were Al Gore doing this right now, you would find narry a Freeper to go along with it and that they do it now just to support this President is a bit sickening in my opinion."

I am confused over this. The President, any president, has plenary powers under the Constitution that are absolutely independent of Congress or the Judiciary. Under Article II he is Commander in Chief. As such any president has both the power and responsibility to intercept intel in the war on terror.

THIS president is using a system of checks and ballances well beyond anything required by anything. The program is reauthorized every 45 days, is extensively reviewed, and has been run by Justice. In addition, there are a host of federal legal decisions that support a foreign intel exemption to the 4th.

Unless one can explain to me how using a system that is not unlike my computers virus or spyware scans in some way equates with reading my mail, I will simply observe the issue is a tempest in a teacup.

The president has this power
The president has always had this power
Every president holds this power
Neither congress nor the courts can remove the power
The power has most assuredly NOT been abused
No one is reading millions of communications, instead they are scanned like a virus scan on a computer and only if such a treason virus pops up in the review, is anything really read at all.

Why not worry about eminent domain abuse, takings through regulation, or the IRS and BATF, all things that are filled with real abuse and that occur each and every day??


140 posted on 01/03/2006 10:17:44 AM PST by Jim Verdolini (We had it all, but the RINOs stalked the land and everything they touched was as dung and ashes!)
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To: Jim Verdolini; Prodigal Son
You said:

Why not worry about eminent domain abuse, takings through regulation, or the IRS and BATF, all things that are filled with real abuse and that occur each and every day??

Nail, meet hammer.

You are right, but I suspect for the wrong reasons.

Fear is a powerful tool. If you can keep everyone in fear of others around them, then they are too busy to look at those above them.

I think that you'd agreed that there are lots of distractions to keep us busy from looking at the day to day things that the government is doing.

Rather than castigating Prodigal Son (et al), we should be thanking them for keeping their eye on the ball.

Really folks, with everything that the government screws up on a daily basis, do you really believe that they are that good (at this new job of finding terrorists -- by whatever means) that we have not suffered another attack because of them? One of them (the government) said, (paraquoting) 'the bad guys only have to get lucky once. We have to be perfect 100% of the time.' That's very true and there are countless ways to inflict terror that don't require much planning or international coordination. Why haven't they been lucky even once? Do you really believe that the government is 100% perfect?

168 posted on 01/03/2006 1:12:39 PM PST by Badray (In the hands of bureaucrat, a clip board can be as dangerous to liberty as a gun.)
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To: Jim Verdolini

"Why not worry about eminent domain abuse, takings through regulation, or the IRS and BATF, all things that are filled with real abuse and that occur each and every day??"

My thoughts on this...
This stuff with the President being unconstitutional makes no sense whatsoever. So, it must be something that was just thrown out there to keep people's minds occupied while many folks are being kicked out of their homes. Look at the emminent domain abuse to put more money in some pockets?



173 posted on 01/03/2006 2:05:22 PM PST by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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