[Boot Hill]

Badray:   "My guess is that challenges to the 4th Amendment standard of reasonable are relatively recent ones and are virtually non existent for the first 100 or so years of our nation's history."

Actually, it was the other way around. Challenges to warrantless searches, for instance, those searches incident to arrest, were virtually unheard of until the early 20th century.

In any event, your reply was very reasoned, and thoughtful and provided food for thought.

[Badray]

I'm not sure that we are disagreeing here.

(I only got 3 hours of sleep and each hour was interupted at least 2 times and I'm still groggy.)

Can you point me to a good place to research this. Even though I am sleep challenged, I am time challenged as well. I wear too many hats.

I believe that there were plenty of abuses and for a long time, we sided with the police too readily and almost blindly. If the police said that someone was guilty, we believed it. There was no reason to question them.

I am happy to hear that you found my argument to be worthy of further consideration. Thanks for any help that you can point me to.