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To: stand watie; Casloy; John_Taylor_of_Caroline
stand watie: can you DOCUMENT any of that REVISIONIST BILGE from REAL original sources??? i think NOT.

I could though. BTW I like your screen name, my mom has got a good dose of Cherokee in her. But, I think you are make'n a mistake by denying the sentiments of the South. This comes close to home for me, since it's documented that my family did specifically own slaves and at least some of my ancestors where planters. The truth is most Southerners were terrified of give'n blacks arms. Arming them was the whole point of Osawatomie Brown's Harpers Ferry raid remember. Brown threatened to turn all the South into a Saint-Domingue. John_Taylor_of_Caroline's last post makes that point. Remember that after the war a lot of radicalism of the KKK ironically mimicked those of the earlier Yankee "Wide Awakes."

364 posted on 01/10/2006 12:22:12 PM PST by Pelayo
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To: Pelayo
But, I think you are make'n a mistake by denying the sentiments of the South.

I don't deny the sentiments of the south, what I do find objectionable is the total denial of what was going in the south that was immoral and evil. Most of the world had at that point outlawed slavery, but the south not only continued it, but found in it a higher moral purpose. Read some of the anti-abolitionist tracts from the time period and it will make your skin crawl. I completely understand the desire to remember your heritage and to look back with nostalgia, even if that nostalgia is based on fiction. We all do that. But, to ignore one of the fundamental causes of the sectionalism that led to the Civil War simply because it is uncomfortable to talk about is wrong. To attempt to rewrite history just so as to pretend that slavery was not an issue, is stupid.

372 posted on 01/10/2006 3:20:40 PM PST by Casloy
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To: Pelayo
I am into genealogy and have traced many families back to the 1600's. Not one owned slaves. I have over 10,000 names in my FTM. My ancestors were just trying to make a living on land that was not very good for that. A lot of my ancestors lived in the same county and I have seen the land around there. They worked from can do until can't do and most had large families to support. The ones from that era did fight for the South but it was not about slavery.
394 posted on 01/10/2006 4:51:56 PM PST by MamaB (mom to an Angel)
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To: Pelayo
GEN Stand Watie was my ancestor's commanding general, when he was a PVT in the 1st Cherokee Mounted Rifles.

i took a diminutive of his war-name as a memorial to his valor/devotion & HONOR.

i am proud of him, as is every other Cherokee.

free dixie,sw

431 posted on 01/11/2006 10:02:14 AM PST by stand watie (Resistance to tyrants is OBEDIENCE to GOD. Thomas Jefferson, 1804)
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