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Supposedly Dead Operating Systems : Digital's VMS Just Keeps Going and Going and Going...
Mass High Tech ( Journal of New England Technology) ^ | Keith Parent and Beth Bumbarger

Posted on 01/10/2006 10:17:04 AM PST by SirLinksalot

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Of interest only for you techies out there ...

I don't use VMS anymore ( I do UNIX and LINUX nowadays ). But I cannot help but feel nostalgic for this venerable Operating System which is reliable, easy to use and program, highly scalable, and virtually unhackable ( and which apparently, is not dead yet ).

1 posted on 01/10/2006 10:17:08 AM PST by SirLinksalot
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To: SirLinksalot

I agree. I coded under VMS for six years, and I loved all the system services and library routines. Very powerful.


2 posted on 01/10/2006 10:19:09 AM PST by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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I wrote assembly for a VAX, it was like writing C.


3 posted on 01/10/2006 10:20:42 AM PST by ElTianti
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To: SirLinksalot
the VAX and Alpha architectures will gradually be phased out by Hewlett-Packard, which wants customers to migrate to its newer Integrity servers.

They forgot to include 'planned obsolesence' in their feature list.

There is plenty of 'old' tech that gets phased out because someone wants to sell you the 'new' thing. But some of the old stuff is still the best.

4 posted on 01/10/2006 10:22:41 AM PST by atomicpossum (If I don't reply, don't think you're winning. I often just don't bother to argue.)
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To: SirLinksalot

VMS! now that brings back fond memories. they even had a help feature that was actually understandable.
who can forget sysgen, autogen, authorize, ncp, etc.?


5 posted on 01/10/2006 10:23:44 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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"ran its system for 17 years without a single reboot. Try to accomplish that on today’s systems.

I dunno about that. We ran a Solaris machine for five or six years without rebooting. Then the hardware wore out.


6 posted on 01/10/2006 10:24:04 AM PST by proxy_user
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To: ElTianti
I coded in C under VMS, mostly real-time financial systems (trading, gov't bonds, et cetera). Loved SMG and, particularly, the VMS DLM which had the blocking-AST feature. Makes UNIX's signals/semaphores seem useless by comparison. AST's in general were incredibly useful.
7 posted on 01/10/2006 10:24:39 AM PST by LIConFem (A fronte praecipitium, a tergo lupi.)
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My college (James Madison University) had a VAXcluster when I was a student there 1984-87. Started off with an 11/785, 11/780, and 11/750; by the time I graduated they'd moved up to an 8650, 8600, and the 11/785. As a student operator and Computer Information Systems major, I LOVED those things. Super-easy to work with, far easier than IBM's stuff. Manning the help desk was never easy, but it was a lot easier trying to get the psych majors who were taking a computer stats class up and running on VAX/VMS instead of on, say, MVS.

Later on I worked briefly with a company that was trying to hook an early Windows PC network (circa 1992) running Gupta SQLWindows up with a MicroVAX II as a file server. The Wintel network wasn't capable of doing what they wanted it to do, but that little VAX was absolutely bulletproof.

I've got a soft spot in my heart for those things. :)

}:-)4


8 posted on 01/10/2006 10:24:48 AM PST by Moose4 ("I will shoulder my musket and brandish my sword/In defense of this land and the word of the Lord")
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To: ElTianti

"I wrote assembly for a VAX, it was like writing C."

You say that like its a bad thing...


9 posted on 01/10/2006 10:25:10 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: SirLinksalot
it just sat there and ran . . . forever. you could pile users on it until it creaked. and new releases had meaningful new features, WITHOUT the continuous stream of emergency patches, fixes, and security PAKs.
10 posted on 01/10/2006 10:25:23 AM PST by smonk
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To: LIConFem
My company has made VMS operating systems it's current standard for process control. Very robust, muti-user friendly, and no concerns about operating system updates and viruses. I love it.
It's not as pretty as Windows graphical display, but were trying to make money here, not play with high maintenace toys.
11 posted on 01/10/2006 10:26:55 AM PST by jaydubya2
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To: SirLinksalot

A lot of the reason VMS is still around is that there isn't really that easy of a migration path away from it.

When Windows came out, you could still (and can still) run most DOS programs on it.


12 posted on 01/10/2006 10:26:56 AM PST by Pessimist
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To: SirLinksalot

Same story here. What a great old warhorse! I still think VMS clustering is the best of class and it's been around for a very, very long time now.


13 posted on 01/10/2006 10:26:56 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Moose4

i configured the first state-owned mixed architecture VMS cluster (VAX/Alpha). a lot of unsupported stuff could be made workable under VMS. it was fun in those days!

anybody remember pathworks?


14 posted on 01/10/2006 10:27:05 AM PST by camle (keep your mind open and somebody will fill it full of something for you.)
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To: Moose4

Could you sit on the hill when you were at JMU?

If you don't know what I am talking about, the answer is "no".


15 posted on 01/10/2006 10:27:11 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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When I was contracting in the IT dept at GE, there was one guy there who used to support the VAX servers. That was in 1997.

Our group were all Novell, NT, MAC and HPUNIX geeks, we would always tell him to learn NT or UNIX because he won't have a job in five years if he didn't. The VAX systems are still there and so is he.

We used to sing a parity of the Beatles "Tax Man" whenever he was around.
16 posted on 01/10/2006 10:27:48 AM PST by HEY4QDEMS (Learn from the past, don't live in it.)
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Data General

I was a Data General (and look alike) geek using IRIS O/S. One of the first true multi user systems. File and screen handling was a little obtuse but you could develop a lot of programs in a hurry.

17 posted on 01/10/2006 10:29:37 AM PST by Mike Darancette (Mesocons for Rice '08)
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To: Billthedrill; All

VMS Rocks!
The DOD has a huge investment in VMS, I can't elaborate on that but some very crucial functions in DOD depend on VMS exclusively


18 posted on 01/10/2006 10:30:05 AM PST by vrwc0915 ("Necessity is the plea of every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants,)
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We still use it, running OpenVMS Alpha 7.3-2 on an AlphaServer ES40 with 2 EV67 500Mhz CPUs, 5 Gb of memory. Bulletproof. The system is used to run an Oracle data server.

The lack of support for end-user reporting tools on VMS may cause us to move to Linux at some point (~3-5 years), but the systems (hardwaree and software) are well built and run well.


19 posted on 01/10/2006 10:30:09 AM PST by Fury
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... the VAX 11/780, the first commercially available 32-bit computer in the world.

This doesn't sound right.

As I recall, IBM was building 32-bit machines for decades before the VAXen.

Perhaps the article meant "...first commercially available 32-bit minicomputer..."

20 posted on 01/10/2006 10:30:09 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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