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Race gap in school discipline persists in Seattle
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER ^ | Wednesday, January 11, 2006 | JESSICA BLANCHARD

Posted on 01/12/2006 12:00:30 PM PST by Sopater

Nearly two decades after it began tracking student discipline, Seattle Public Schools continues to struggle with a chronic problem: African American students are still far more likely than their white peers to be suspended or expelled.

The "discipline gap" persists even as the district drastically lowered the overall number of students who were expelled last year, new statistics show.

Compared with white students, African Americans were nearly twice as likely last year to receive short-term suspensions, lasting 10 or fewer days. Long-term suspensions were imposed on black students more than twice the time.

"We're still seeing a lot of disproportionality," said School Board member Darlene Flynn, chairwoman of Student Learning Committee. "That hasn't improved at all."

The disparity was investigated by the Seattle P-I in 2002 in a special report, "An Uneven Hand," which found that black students were being disciplined at much higher rates than students of other races -- and had been for at least two decades.

The district has made an effort in recent years to provide better training to teachers and administrators and focus on alternatives to suspending or expelling students. But short- and long-term suspension rates are virtually unchanged since 2000, and in some cases are higher.

Flynn said the district needs to do a better job of lowering discipline rates, especially for black and Hispanic students.

READ THE REPORT

The Seattle Public Schools discipline report is available online at www.seattleschools.org/area/siso/disprof/2005/disprof_2005.xml, then click "Student Outcome Measures." The section on discipline rates begins on Page 41.

(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.nwsource.com ...


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To: MissEdie
For example, a black principal refusing to punish black students who called a white teacher a "stupid bitch-ho" because that type of behavior was "cultural". The principal told my friend she would have to get over it, it was a cultural thing.

She should get the principal's response in writing and take his negligent behavior to the school board. I suppose negligence is "cultural" too.

41 posted on 01/12/2006 12:56:16 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: RexBeach
I know how to fix this! Throw more money at it! After all, that's generally why govie programs don't work, isn't it? Yes, more money will do the trick nicely....especially in Seattle.

Sadly, the way Seattle will likely remedy this problem is to suspend white kids and give black kids a pass for the same infraction. That way white suspension numbers rise while black suspension numbers fall until they are at parity. Problem solved! Administration happy!

42 posted on 01/12/2006 12:57:18 PM PST by Drew68
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To: AppyPappy
The weird thing is that poorer children of all races tend to have more behavior problems that wealthier kids.

The "chicken and egg" problem. Why are the children poor? Could it be that mom and dad were underperforming slackers in school and can't make a decent living now? Poverty doesn't cause behavior problems. Behavior problems cause poverty. Once it starts, the bad behavior and poor living conditions persist. Mom and dad are too stupid and ill behaved themselves to break the cycle. Children of "wealthy" parents often misbehave as a consequence of neglect while parents are pursuing the almighty dollar and indulging themselves. Inherited wealth rarely persists beyond a generation as wealth is a consequence of behavior that isn't understood by the inheritor.

43 posted on 01/12/2006 1:05:09 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Drew68

Dead On.


44 posted on 01/12/2006 1:13:11 PM PST by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Myrddin

Anecdotely, I remember the kids who were suspended in school and they tended to be the poorest kids. Very seldom was a middle-class or rich kid suspended. In our case, however, we were given the option of performing "work" after school to avoid suspension i.e. cutting the grass. This was to avoid getting zeroes for the tests that were missed. The poor kids never seemed interested in that. They just took the days off. I was friends with one of the kids (druggie) and he told me the days off were preferred because they had to pass him anyway. Since they couldn't flunk him and he didn't care about his grades, he stayed at home and smoked dope when he got suspended while his mom worked. Win-win in his eyes.

Oddly, he told me that the teachers gave him F's but the principal always changed the grades so he would pass. A high number of kids flunking looked bad for the principal.


45 posted on 01/12/2006 1:13:15 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Myrddin

He knows better than to write it. Using a tape recorder is preferred but watch out. If you pull one out at a school board meeting to play the words of an administrator, they'll react as if you pulled out a hand grenade.

Nothing upsets people more than hearing something they are trying not to hear.


46 posted on 01/12/2006 1:16:49 PM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Sopater

Great post. Thanks!


47 posted on 01/12/2006 1:28:23 PM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: Tulane

There is no evidence that having married parents is a significant factor. Correlatiod does not equal causation. Parental education and income levels, and age, also have very strong correlations to children's behavior and eventual educational achievement and criminality. And I don't think it would be hard to prove that parental rap sheet length is one of the strongest predictors for out of control children who grow up to engage in criminal behavior. On the other hand, you'll find very good outcomes among children of financially self-sufficient single parents. Outcomes for children raised only by their widowed mothers, when the father died before or shortly after the chidren's birth, are indistinguishable from those of children raised in 2-parent homes, exposing the falsehood of the notion that lack of a father is a major causative factor of poor outcomes for children.


48 posted on 01/12/2006 1:32:16 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: AppyPappy
I watched many of my elementary school friends change over the years. The kid up the street was from a middle class family. He was the darling of the elementary school. Straight A report cards, class president. Apparently the junior high didn't get the word. He was just one of the kids. I rarely saw him in high school. In my second year at UCSD, he magically appeared on campus. Unfortunately, he decided to major in "pool hall" instead of attending his classes. He was gone in 2 quarters. The next time I saw him, I was teaching an embedded computer class at Southwestern College. He was taking basket weaving classes. He drives a school bus in northern San Diego County now.

Another elementary school friend was active in scouts when I returned to San Diego in 1969. He was doing fine until he tagged up with the druggies and smokers. He had an illigitimate kid and never managed to graduate from high school. His dad was a Lt in the Navy and lived and a slightly nicer house than my own a couple blocks away.

I could writes volumes of anecdotes describing perfectly nice middle class white kids that grew up to be below average performers. Not criminals, but just barely productive enough to stay off welfare.

As with any distribution, you have success and failure. The class president and valedictorian was Valerie Zavala. She lived two doors down from my house. She earned a PhD at Harvard. We only had ONE valedictorian when I graduated. No need to assuage the egos of 10+ people. There was a number one and she was the genuine article. She is apparently the nightly news magazine anchor at PBS station KCET in Los Angeles now.

49 posted on 01/12/2006 1:59:10 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: tom h
Be careful ---- you're being too analytical, rational and observant.....

That can get you in a lot of trouble......you racist! </sarcasm>

Semper Fi
50 posted on 01/12/2006 3:17:13 PM PST by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: Sopater; Horatio Gates; Squantos

I would recommend to any person who thinks that racism is the reason that black kids are disciplined more often in Seattle public schools, go buy a police scanner and just listen to the dispatch activity in the different precincts for a couple of nights.

There are five precincts. Listen to every pct's activity level on consecutive Sat. nights. The pct with the highest percentage of black residents is the South pct.

You will be astounded at overwhelming difference in call activty between the South pct and the North pct. And North isn't slow. South is off the hook nightly.

Facts is facts. Whether you believe it's nature, nurture, culture, or a conspiracy of the illuminati, the problems of crime in the black community is undeniable.


51 posted on 01/12/2006 3:40:15 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I get paid to get in your business.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Most successful men have had a strong MALE figure in their life, whether it was a father, an uncle, or an older cousin. Men NEED men, and their is both statistical and anecdotal evidence to prove that.

The effects of the "feminization" of the American male is something I must deal with everyday.

52 posted on 01/12/2006 3:42:07 PM PST by Clemenza (Smartest words ever written by a Communist: "Show me the way to the next Whiskey Bar")
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To: Horatio Gates
I'd be curious to know how many suspended students regardless of race come from a home with a mother and father present

What's your definition of "present"?

53 posted on 01/12/2006 3:42:46 PM PST by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (I get paid to get in your business.)
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To: sgtbono2002

Silly American bumpkins! Don't you realize the only reason there are more Blacks in jail than Whites because the racist pig cops only pay attention to Black crime?

Let's take murder for example. This is a crime where every case is examined closely and we find that most murders are actually committed by Blacks and uh wait a minute...


54 posted on 01/12/2006 3:55:25 PM PST by Free Dominoes
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig

A culture / lifestyle that demands respect yet has none........everything is owed, everyone is potential prey, all actions are diversional, no guilt, no remorse , self imposed hollow pride. Thats a shame that such individuals regardless of race allow themselves to be reliant upon a doctrine of welfare, wanderlust and a washed up future of waiting for someone else to make their life better vs taking responsibility for their own future.......

Just my opinion of course......Stay Safe Ern !


55 posted on 01/12/2006 3:57:13 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: Sopater

And in other news, men use urinals more than women at a rate of more than two to one...

We need to educate the women on the proper use of a urinal to make these statistics more fair.

I am no racist, but I sure am a culturist.


56 posted on 01/12/2006 4:02:25 PM PST by RobRoy
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To: Myrddin

She tried, nothing happened- unfortunately in this case a majority of the school board shares the same ethnic background and desire for excuses as does the principal.


57 posted on 01/12/2006 4:06:34 PM PST by MissEdie
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To: Drew68

That is not mainstreaming. Mainstreaming is taking a kid like my daughter who has brain damage and putting her in the regular classroom.

My daughter does not have behavior problems. She has a speech problem. She didn't learn to talk until she was 5, and it has affected her reading and writing. Instead of putting her in a special day class with kids with other issues where she wouldn't be challenged, they've kept her in the regular classroom.

She is one of the best behaved, and she is one of the best at math in her class. She does get pulled out for speech therapy, and she used to get pulled out for occupational therapy.

Growing up, I had a friend who was legally blind. She was also in the regular classroom, and the kids and teachers loved her. She had special equipment to help her read. The kids helped her do other things in the classroom. She was an inspiring person to know. When she was an adult, she got her master's degree in Speech Therapy.

Anyway, don't lump mainstreaming kids with special needs with kids who are behavior problems. I don't want my well-behaved kids in a classroom with misbehaving kids. I do accomodations can be made to teach some special needs kids in the regular classroom.


58 posted on 01/12/2006 4:16:26 PM PST by luckystarmom
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To: MissEdie
She tried, nothing happened- unfortunately in this case a majority of the school board shares the same ethnic background and desire for excuses as does the principal.

Probably a good reason to be seeking employment in a better location. A frequent comment around here is that a fish rots from the head down.

59 posted on 01/12/2006 4:24:10 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig
What's your definition of "present"?

Garden variety two parent household ala Ward and June Cleaver

60 posted on 01/12/2006 5:17:29 PM PST by Horatio Gates (Optimist sees the donut, pessimist sees only the hole.)
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