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Gay 'marriage' ban struck
The Washington Times ^ | January 21, 2006 | S. A. Miller

Posted on 01/21/2006 8:23:11 PM PST by MediaAnalyst

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To: Lunatic Fringe
How is gay marriage "forced" on the people?

The fact of the matter is that the American people, by an overwhelming margin, wish to retain the traditional definition of marriage. When unelected tyrants in black robes insist that marriage be instead defined in ways it has never in all of human history been, and which offends almost every single American citizen, THAT is how gay "marriage" is forced on the people.

Any questions?

21 posted on 01/21/2006 10:19:44 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: gsrinok

Any time this is put to an actual vote of the people, the people decide to keep the definition of marriage what it is, as opposed to allowing men to marry men, women to marry donkeys, etc.


22 posted on 01/21/2006 10:23:14 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: digger48
Somehow I think a divorce rate of over 50% and TV Networks that base reality shows on "Wife Swapping" and promises such as "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire" have diminished marriage far beyond what gay marriage could.
23 posted on 01/21/2006 10:29:52 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Jeff Chandler

You're absolutely right. The ban on homosexual "marriage" passed overwhelmingly here in Oklahoma, but it was immediately challenged in court. These perverts don't care about the will of the people.


24 posted on 01/21/2006 10:30:59 PM PST by gsrinok
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To: Jeff Chandler

How can marriage between a man and a woman have value when Reality TV shows determine who someone will marry if the price is right?


25 posted on 01/21/2006 10:34:23 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: Paul C. Jesup
Would someone please explain to me how the 'gay marriage' movement would prevent a man and woman from getting married?

Why have someone explain this to you? Your question is not a valid question as it is premised in moral relative construct that denies "we the people" control the government. The actual question is how can a judge legitimately go against the will of the people evidenced by history, common law and enacted law through elected representatives and decide by personal judicial fiat supplemented by the proverbial "much consideration" or even foriegn legal precedent to decide what constitutes a legitimate moral position and or societal interest.

The judge should be booted from the bench.

26 posted on 01/21/2006 10:35:05 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
Somehow I think a divorce rate of over 50% and TV Networks that base reality shows on "Wife Swapping" and promises such as "Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire" have diminished marriage far beyond what gay marriage could.

Well, it's settled then! Let's just give up, kick back and embrace whatever obscenities the perverts decide to throw at us.

By the way, I'm being sarcastic.
27 posted on 01/21/2006 10:35:46 PM PST by gsrinok
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To: DBeers
The judge should be booted from the bench.

Yes, he should, but I suspect he will run for Congress instead. In my opinion, this ruling was calculated to draw support from the left-wing crowd.
28 posted on 01/21/2006 10:38:06 PM PST by gsrinok
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To: gsrinok
I have friends and relatives who have been married and divorced three and four times and I also know gay couples that have been together more than 25 years.

I have much more respect for those that can hold their relationship together 20 years than I do those who are in divorce court every four years.
29 posted on 01/21/2006 10:40:45 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
This is not a question of diminishing the bonds of marriage, although I'm sure the activists crusading for the redefinition of the term probably relish that unintended consequence.

It's about a court imposing its own distorted view of what the law says onto an unwilling citizenry.

It's about the usurpation of our democratic rights, and the negation of participatory democracy.

What exactly is the point of going out and casting a ballot for a legistlator-at either the state or federal level-if that person has absolutely no power to enact his/her agenda?

30 posted on 01/21/2006 10:42:08 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("Liberals aren't neighborhood people." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

How is it that you are still on this board, Paul? Do you even realize that this is a message board for conservatives? There is another board, slightly less popular, of course, that caters to the pro-homosexual agenda.


31 posted on 01/21/2006 10:42:47 PM PST by gsrinok
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
I have much more respect for those that can hold their relationship together 20 years than I do those who are in divorce court every four years.

Good for you and your moral relative opinion. Holding a homosexual 'relationship' together means nothing 'good' to me regardless the 'bad' you seem to justify it with.

32 posted on 01/21/2006 10:48:04 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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To: DBeers
Why don't these people get it?

Look, even if same-sex marriage were to be enacted by plebiscite, or through the actions of state legislatures I would oppose it.

But at the very least I could take comfort in the fact that the decision was being made with the public's consent.

The reason that there has never been a referendum or initiative seeking to legalize same-sex marriage is because such a measure would inevitably fail...in all fifty states.

Realizing that no state or city would be willing to enact their agenda, radical activists are using their friends on the federal bench as a means of enforce an agenda that would never come to pass through genuinely democratic means.

I don't care if you disagree or agree with the wisdom of extending the institution of matrimony to same-sex couples, if you have even a modicum of respect for our system of government you should loathe extra-constitutional decisions such as this and Lawrence.

33 posted on 01/21/2006 10:49:08 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("Liberals aren't neighborhood people." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: Do not dub me shapka broham
I am not in disagreement about the Courts wielding much more power than the Framers intended.

Instead my point is that the culture has through No Fault Divorce and the trivialization of marriage via the mass media has established a institution of marriage that has little resemblance of its original intention.

34 posted on 01/21/2006 10:50:53 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: DBeers

What value does traditional marriage have when marriages are brokered on Reality TV programs?


35 posted on 01/21/2006 10:53:10 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
Instead my point is that the culture has through No Fault Divorce and the trivialization of marriage via the mass media has established a institution of marriage that has little resemblance of its original intention.

If that is truly your point, why is it that you feel obligated to tell us about your homosexual friends who have had such a loving relationship for so long?
36 posted on 01/21/2006 10:53:14 PM PST by gsrinok
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV

http://www.nationalreview.com/kurtz/kurtz200406030910.asp


37 posted on 01/21/2006 10:57:50 PM PST by Do not dub me shapka broham ("Liberals aren't neighborhood people." -Daniel Patrick Moynihan)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

If two people of the same sex want to live together and define their existence by the fact that their reproductive equipment is a pleasure toy for them and nothing else, that is nobody's business but their own.

But to elevate that relationship the the importance of one that is vital to the well being and health of our society, is wrong and dangerous.

If you think a family with a mother and a father is not important to bringing up children correctly, that is your right to think so, but you are mistaken, the science is not on your side.

Our society has given special rights and privileges for the institution of marriage and the act of rearing children, in recognition that is is the single most important thing to carry on our line.

These rights are paid for all of us by our taxes and legal strucured. We willigly pay, the same way we would pay for our childeren to go to the best school.

Those of us who do not have children, for various reasons....we willingly pay the penalties with no children, because thousands of years have shown us the right and normal way. Two mommies and two daddies may produce an occasoniall wonderful off spring, but it isnt the norm.


38 posted on 01/21/2006 10:59:31 PM PST by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: gsrinok
Of all the people my wife and I knew in college 25 years ago the only couple besides ourselves who are still together are gay. I simply respect their ability to work through a relationship whereas many other couples have done been able to.

My wife and I have had problems but used our love, Faith and Vows to work through those problems. Quite honestly, if it not been for our Faith and vows I am not sure we would have made it.
39 posted on 01/21/2006 11:01:37 PM PST by H. Paul Pressler IV
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To: H. Paul Pressler IV
What value does traditional marriage have when marriages are brokered on Reality TV programs?

The same value it does no matter what moral relative comparison you make.

Arguments premised in situational ethics or moral relative constructs are tools of the left and or morally liberal --I do not entertain such arguments.

40 posted on 01/21/2006 11:03:57 PM PST by DBeers (†)
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