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Mich. judge ridiculed on teens' Web site strikes back
http://www.firstamendmentcenter.org/ ^ | 1 30 06 | associated press

Posted on 01/31/2006 2:23:59 AM PST by freepatriot32

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To: Toadman

I should also caveat that I believe the Judge acted correctly in this case.


41 posted on 01/31/2006 4:53:42 AM PST by Toadman
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To: Al Gator
In days gone by, you have a point. But you forget that today's kids were never taught responsibility...

That's because we don't allow them to exercise responsibility. The 21 year old drinking age is a perfect example. Adults today also have a nasty habit of micromanaging every second of their childrens' time rather than allowing them to supervise their own games, make their own rules, and solve their own disputes. I can recall playing pick-up baseball in the cow fields as a kid. We didn't have adults to select the teams or call balls and stikes. We came up with our own rules and solved our own problems. For example, if someone hit the ball too close to a cow to field cleanly, that was a ground rule double. If someone actually hit a cow with the ball on the fly, that was a home run.

42 posted on 01/31/2006 4:56:21 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: freepatriot32

Where the hell are these kids' parents?


43 posted on 01/31/2006 4:57:46 AM PST by No Longer Free State (No event has just one cause, no person has just one motive, no action has just the intended effect)
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To: freepatriot32

Libertarian lunatic ping.


44 posted on 01/31/2006 5:01:42 AM PST by verity (The MSM is comprised of useless eaters)
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To: Labyrinthos

I like them rules! I think we should have cows in the field for major league games!

But then, what happens if you miss a catch because you slip on a pie? Something to think about!

:->


45 posted on 01/31/2006 5:04:31 AM PST by djf
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To: freepatriot32
I agree why wasnt he forced to recuse himself? I think they got really strong grounds to appeal this decision.

That logic would make contempt of court charges impossible. The perp could just call the judge a nasty name in court everytime they want another judge, and the judge can't charge him "because it would be personal". These idiotic girls are getting a badly needed wake up call to the real world. These "parents" obviously aren't taking their children's development very seriously.

46 posted on 01/31/2006 5:06:17 AM PST by SampleMan
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To: freepatriot32

To quote Nelson Muntz: "Ha ha!" Gals got what they deserved.


47 posted on 01/31/2006 5:08:26 AM PST by Puddleglum (Thank God the Boston blowhard lost)
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To: Labyrinthos
Some excellent points you make.

What we have here is the classic chicken or egg situation. How we got here was a gradual erosion of parental rights.

"Don't spank your kid or we'll throw you jail and take the kid."

Of course, that is only one side of the many-sided problem.


I think you need to teach consequence first. Teaching responsibility is easier when the person understands the concept of consequence.
48 posted on 01/31/2006 5:16:28 AM PST by Al Gator (Remember to pillage BEFORE you burn!)
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To: freepatriot32

Lesson learned: Don't screw around with a judge. Not that difficult to learn.


49 posted on 01/31/2006 5:16:52 AM PST by When_Penguins_Attack (Smashing Windows, Breaking down Gates. Proud Mepis User!!!!)
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To: tet68
Here is a more detailed article.

"I blew a .02," she said -- the minimum needed for a violation under Michigan's zero-tolerance rule for minors. She said one officer offered her a break.

"He said, 'I'll give you another test later so that you can be under .02.' But our principal said no, 'It's school policy. We have to call your parents.' "

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Martone, 58, has devoted his career to battling under-age drinking... Other judges have praised and emulated his crusade, especially his dramatic school assemblies in which Martone holds actual court sessions, marching guilty adult defendants off in handcuffs to the gasps of students.

She'd written a letter, asking for leniency. She handed it to the judge. "It was sad," he recalled. "In it, she said she wants to be a criminal justice major. I told her, perhaps you might want to consider another line of work."

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He sentenced her to 30 days in the Oakland County Jail. She was marched off in handcuffs, to spend Christmas and New Year's Day behind bars.

50 posted on 01/31/2006 5:21:24 AM PST by monkey
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To: ThirstyMan
Good job dad.

Could have been worse, I suppose, but hardly an admission that his kid did WRONG herself. Instead, we have the "situational" excuse: she was, as it were, a victim of the company she kept. Unmentioned again was the fact that she CHOSE the company in question.

51 posted on 01/31/2006 5:23:02 AM PST by madprof98
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To: freepatriot32

I think the cop was definitely wrong here.


52 posted on 01/31/2006 5:26:21 AM PST by RabidBartender
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To: freepatriot32

The judge did what needed to be done. These kids violated a court order. THe violation wasn't an accident. It was the very definition of contempt. They thought they could get away with it and they got caught. Hopefully, they have been humbled by this experience. Bravo to the judge for doing the right thing!


53 posted on 01/31/2006 5:37:07 AM PST by doc30 (Democrats are to morals what and Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.)
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To: Al Gator
AND THEN WE LAID VERY LOW. ... Kids today are just stupid. And their parents are to blame for that

Exactly. In my day, if you gave an older kid the finger or told them to go f themselves, you were dead meat, toast! Today, these little brats do that kind of thing with a cocky impunity. I say nail em and nail em hard.

54 posted on 01/31/2006 5:39:38 AM PST by AmericaUnited
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To: freepatriot32

This should make people be more careful what they say or do on the NET. It might come back to bite you in the ass.


55 posted on 01/31/2006 5:40:03 AM PST by wolfcreek
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To: Glenn

Gee! I mean, this judge is all in there face actin like hes the boss or something.


(do I need to say "sic"?)


56 posted on 01/31/2006 5:41:53 AM PST by zook
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To: freepatriot32
"Meerschaert's mother, Polly, agreed. "I do feel this is all about vengeance. I won't say my daughter didn't make a mistake"

Seems like the mother is a big part of the problem. "MISTAKE", mistake about what? 12x12=143 is a mistake if you actually think the answer is 143. Doing something you know is wrong is NOT A MISTAKE.

The mother obviously does not believe in accepting responsibility for ones actions.

57 posted on 01/31/2006 5:42:17 AM PST by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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To: madprof98
Instead, we have the "situational" excuse:

Yeah I suppose you're right. His explanation could have been worse and it also could have been better.

I'm so used to hearing: "She's a good kid and this judge is wrong!"

58 posted on 01/31/2006 5:42:21 AM PST by ThirstyMan (hysteria: the elixir of the Left that trumps all reason)
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To: LibertarianCandidate
Michigan State University is a good place for her. She'll fit right in.

That was my first thought, too! Got a drinking problem? Moo U the Party U.!

59 posted on 01/31/2006 5:43:13 AM PST by gracex7 (The LORD is not slack concerning His promise....but is longsuffering to us-ward. 2 Peter 3:9)
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To: SlowBoat407

I see your point. She was asking for it.


60 posted on 01/31/2006 5:50:23 AM PST by samtheman
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