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To: MillerCreek
At best, Mr. Lee can state that the books would be a "brown paper wrapper" for the real business. So far so good -- I don't have a problem with that.

The problem comes when he goes beyond that. As I read along, I'd see these things that are congruent with my own understanding, and then all of a sudden he's pushing in a conspiracy angle -- as if the normal human failings were not enough to explain how homosexuals have been successful at spreading their creed.

As with Lobo's -- it's not enough for it to be a brown paper wrapper; no, the owners of Lobo's are instead agents of The Agenda, putting out serious bucks to Further The Agenda. It's too much -- and not believable.

Further, I simply don't believe his claim that "nobody" bought any real books at the store. It's too convenient.

95 posted on 02/09/2006 12:10:10 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

Allow me to say that you've made a very larger deal out of the Lobos book store than it is inherent to the story itself, and the larger issues that most of us would prefer to discuss otherwise.

I can IMAGINE in the realm of possibilities that, yes, of course, some one or ones bought "normal" books at Lobos and similar. However, THE INTENT of stores such as these is to (1.) sell homosexual poroography by way of (2.) being covert about it (and thus the front book section of "literature" otherwise).

It's a method like placing the finer, Cuban cigars upstairs in the bar where the normal patron just passing through for a beer and a bar-meal won't know about them but where all the other, "customary and usual" patrons will wander when the time is right, or anytime when they can appear to be nonchalant about it and not draw attention to themselves.

Meanwhile, other people's curiosity is peaked and once in a while, someone else wants a peek at what is up there.

I'd say that's generally the thing that the stores are engaged in and like tha bar, they aren't making their money off of "literature" from upfront, nor is the bar making it's money from tap beer and sandwiches. It's a sales maneuver to sell that which is known to be problematic but still make it available for purchase.

Like dealing. Prostitution. The prostitute isn't REALLY a prostitute if ever asked about it, until after there's a protected environment. The purveyor of pornography is similar, at least was at that time that this person's story was written.

HOWEVER, the POINT of that story in that bit of this fellow's experience is to emphasise the DEVIOUSNESS of the ACTUAL "agenda," or purpose. That the thing itself is not the thing that's presented 'upfront' but is actually covertly available. That society needs to question (more) as to the thing itself and not the stuff that's 'upfront' that makes the thing itself possible.

Culture can be the 'upfront' trendiness while the real damage is, quite literally, in the rear, covertly made available by other means, other "sales pitches" to make the thing itself more appealing. It's gimmickry, if that works easier for you than the word, "conspiracy."

However, conspiracies function by gimmickry, to be sure. Hand signals, winks, special tweaks between football players is the gimmickry of the conspiracy of a football team, to use a clean example of a conspiracy.


115 posted on 02/09/2006 1:36:11 PM PST by MillerCreek
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To: r9etb

Give me a break already the only one pushing the conspiracy angle is you. I've been in places that sell (presumably heterosexual) porn in the same way. When I was in high school we had a video store two blocks from my house that had almost nothing but crappy VHS tapes from the 80's, most of which no one has ever heard of or were so bad no one would watch them today (Unless you consider 'Attack of the Killer Tomatoes' and it's sequels real classics). At the back of the store there was a non-descript metal door labelled adult labelled in small lettering, "adults only." not surprisingly thats where most of the customers headed. A few of my more shameless friends decided to check it out shortly after they turned 18 and I can assure you they were selling what anyone with any common sense would think they sold in back (I have my doubts that would include you).

I later lived in another town that had a porn shop move in, people protested in front of the shop every day, some even resorted to vandalism and shooting out windows to make their point. The shop didn't last 4 months. Why is it so surprising that someone would put hide that sort of thing in the back, or that it would constitute the vast majority of their business? It's not like it takes a rocket scientist or the CIA to throw a few Oscar Wilde books out front.


193 posted on 01/04/2007 6:16:57 PM PST by Thoramir
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