Posted on 02/10/2006 2:54:05 AM PST by PatrickHenry
Well until you showed up it was just a science thread.
However it is interesting that Creats think they have something to contribute without understanding anything of the evidence or arguments involved.
The only way we will ever know for sure if we mixed with the Neanderthals is if we find a well enough preserved mummy to get some DNA. Until then, to each his own.
I think it likely, but that is hardly based on anything but guess work.
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Gravity, it's just a theory.
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"Just wanted to make sure you'f seen this..."
Thanks. No suprise here.
"The new theory is that it's 700,000 years ago and you just emigrated from Africa, it's a Saturday night and there's nothing on cable. So you go out and suddenly see this hot chick that looks exotic. She gives you the eye, you give her the eye, next thing you know you got three kids and the in laws living in your cave.
Nature being nature the second one sounds the most plausible. It still goes on today."
Yes, the new theory sounds a LOT more probable.
Really we know this from medieval history, if we think about it.
Are the Irish "Celts", the English "Anglo-Saxons", the French "Latins", and the Normans "Vikings"? You'd think so if you read the history books and took the replacement of one people or language by another completely seriously.
But if you think about it only a little bit harder, you realize it was Viking MEN getting on longboats and going here and there. Olaf may have stormed ashore at Caen, but Helga didn't come with him. Olaf's kid was with Madeline, and was neither wholly Viking nor wholly French.
And the Anglo-Saxons? Yep, they came ashore and conquered England. Does that mean that every red-headed Celtic lass in England perished under the sword? Ummmm...gee...do male warriors EVER behave like that? No. It means that the English are as Celtic as they are Germanic.
Etc.
Because a conquering warrior might kill as many menfolk as he can git his hands on, but what's the POINT of conquest if you don't get to keep the women? And it's the women wot makes the the babies...who then end up being not Vikings or Saxons, but half Irish and half Saxon. Etc.
Really, we ought to be able to look at Northwestern Europe and the Caribbean within historical memory and know that human invaders don't wipe out the natives when they conquer them, because wiping them out means killing the women, and 20-year old warriors have better things to do with women than killing them. Obviously.
"Among the rest of the thinking and educated America, evolution is as accepted as the theory of gravity. "
But I'd also suggest the debate is still viable for intelligent design - if you believe evolution is following a specific gravitational track down a potential gradient.
Nah. That had to wait on the development of cities. People who have to kill their own food don't waste time on the BS.
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"The theory of evolution is not controversial here. .." ~ DaGman
Which theory of evolution are you talking about?
"...What is the significance of such a theory? To address this question is to enter the field of epistemology.
A theory is a metascientific elaboration distinct from the results of observation, but consistent with them. By means of it a series of independent data and facts can be related and interpreted in a unified explanation. A theory's validity depends on whether or not it can be verified; it is constantly tested against the facts; wherever it can no longer explain the latter, it shows its limitations and unsuitability. It must then be rethought.
Furthermore, while the formulation of a theory like that of evolution complies with the need for consistency with the observed data, it borrows certain notions from natural philosophy.
And, to tell the truth, rather than the theory of evolution, we should speak of several theories of evolution.
On the one hand, this plurality has to do with the different explanations advanced for the mechanism of evolution, and on the other, with the various philosophies on which it is based. Hence the existence of materialist, reductionist, and spiritualist interpretations. What is to be decided here is the true role of philosophy and, beyond it, of theology.
Consequently, theories of evolution which, in accordance with the philosophies inspiring them, consider the spirit as emerging from the forces of living matter or as a mere epiphenomenon of this matter are incompatible with the truth about man. Nor are they able to ground the dignity of the person. ..."
Excerpted from:
Theories of Evolution http://www.firstthings.com/ftissues/ft9703/articles/johnpaul.html
John Paul II
Copyright (c) 1997 First Things 71 (March 1997): 28-29.
Address to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, October 22, 1996
LOL!
Humans left the African Paradise, went to Europe and immediately ruined the earth's climate, twice.
Very intersting article. It just goes to show that as we understand more about genetics, the more we understand about our anthopological and biological history.
Skin color is a local adaptation to sunlight (darker skin preferred) and vitamin D production in the skin (lighter color preferred). Mediterranean groups with tanning ability split the difference, and can adjust to the annual cycle.
So he's not disputing the "out of Africa" part? Wonder what he would say to the argument that everyone in the U.S. is an African-American and eligible to check one of those little boxes under the Census department's self-identification policy.
There would actually be a factual basis for people to do this, as compared to Ward Churchill checking Native American.
Decide? That would spoil all the fun. Spread the blood absorbent sawdust on the floor and let the anthropological gladiatorial contests (re)begin!
Uh, actually, no, at least as to the article itself. It's about certain competing hypotheses within evolutionary anthropology.
I don't think there's any genetic evidence that any homo sapiens produced offspring with homo neanderthalensis.
At least, not yet.
If you get put onto Patrick Henry's ping list (see above) you can watch the fight on the right here on Free Republic -- the three camps are pretty clear -- there are science types who believe in evolution, "Religious Right" types who believe in literal Biblical interpretation, and a lot of people in between trying to make sense of it all.
My impression is that the "Religious Right" types split off from England in colonial days and came to the US in order to have religious freedom, so there aren't many left on your side of the pond.
On this side of the pond, they achieved quite a bit of temporal power before having been beaten back by the forces of modernity and secularism, which they hate, and call leftism.
If you disagree with them, you'll be accused of being a liberal troll and worse (Communist, Nazi).
All over the provenance of a few bones.
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