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Summer jobs in N.E. -- now, Ski areas recruit workers south of the equator
The Boston Globe ^ | February 12, 2006 | Robert Gavin

Posted on 02/12/2006 10:13:52 AM PST by A. Pole

WEST DOVER, Vt. -- College student Lorena Lama once spent a good part of her school vacation on the beaches of her native Chile, where summer lasts from December to March. But two years ago, she decided to try a new summer experience: a Vermont winter.

While it may sound crazy to New Englanders, Lama, 26, is just one of hundreds of seasonal workers who each year leave the 80-plus degree weather of the Southern Hemisphere's summer to work at ski resorts in some of the coldest places in Vermont, Maine, and New Hampshire.

Recruited from countries such as Chile, Brazil, South Africa, and Peru, these international workers account for anywhere from 5 percent to 15 percent of the peak seasonal workforces of the region's ski areas, according to figures from several resorts. Most are college students like Lama, hoping to improve their English or just wanting to see the States.

In many ways, it's a match made in heaven -- if your idea of heaven includes wind chill. Ski resorts, which double and triple their employment for the winter season, need to fill lots of jobs that last from December to March. These students, on summer break, want to work from December to March.

International workers provide a critical supply of labor for the ski industry, resort officials said. It's difficult to fill all the short-term restaurant, hotel, retail and operations jobs, particularly when US students are still in school.

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(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Mexico; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: borders; jobs; market; outsourcing; trade

1 posted on 02/12/2006 10:13:55 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...

More "jobs Americans won't do".


2 posted on 02/12/2006 10:15:15 AM PST by A. Pole (The freemarketeers are economic men, greedy, rational and controlled by the invisible hand market.)
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To: A. Pole

Visit any Tahoe area ski resort and you'll find young workers from all over the southern hemisphere. Nothing new here.


3 posted on 02/12/2006 10:28:34 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: A. Pole; Willie Green; Paleo Conservative; Nowhere Man

They would have us believe that there is a shortage of qualified American resort workers?

What will the free traitors say next?


4 posted on 02/12/2006 10:29:10 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (John Paul Stevens for retirement)
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To: A. Pole

Hell, why go all the way to Chile, Brazil, and Peru to find these workers? There are plenty of Mexicans willing to do the work Americans won't do!


5 posted on 02/12/2006 10:29:54 AM PST by hillary's_fat_a**
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To: Clintonfatigued

It is far more likely there is a shortage of Americans who will actually show up to work. The unemployed now mostly cinsists of people who don't work.


6 posted on 02/12/2006 10:31:57 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: hillary's_fat_a**; cardinal4

In the summer of 2003, my wife and I went on a coach trip of the western National Parks. We were amazed to see that a good many of the summer jobs there were being done by young people from Eastern Europe. I can't believe that there are no young Americans that wouldn't KILL to spend a summer in the glory of Yellowstone or the Grand Tetons.


7 posted on 02/12/2006 10:32:43 AM PST by Ax (Guards! Seize that man!)
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To: bert
The unemployed now mostly cinsists of people who don't work.

And who are those unemployed who do work?

8 posted on 02/12/2006 10:33:17 AM PST by A. Pole (The freemarketeers are economic men, greedy, rational and controlled by the invisible hand market.)
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To: Ax
I can't believe that there are no young Americans that wouldn't KILL to spend a summer in the glory of Yellowstone or the Grand Tetons.

They could not be exploited so easily as they know the law and can defend themselves.

9 posted on 02/12/2006 10:34:24 AM PST by A. Pole (The freemarketeers are economic men, greedy, rational and controlled by the invisible hand market.)
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To: A. Pole

Doing the Ski Jobs Americans don't want too do.........


10 posted on 02/12/2006 10:40:52 AM PST by cmsgop ( Yeah. Let's go get sushi and not pay !!)
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To: A. Pole

....And who are those unemployed who do work?....

They while away their days not working, lazily allowing others to do for them that which they are unwilling to do for themselves in their drug fog. They lack the gumption to get up every day and earn their keep. They are the dregs, the scummy film at the bottom of the American barrel. They report, get in a day or two and then somehow can't make it a third in a row. They have endless excuses for what is actually just plain laziness.


11 posted on 02/12/2006 10:41:28 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: bert
You did not understand my question:

"....And who are those unemployed who do work?.... "

You said that majority of the unemployed do not work. I am curious who are those "unemployed who DO work"? Don't they commit fraud?

12 posted on 02/12/2006 10:43:29 AM PST by A. Pole (Milosevic: "And when they behead your own people [...] then you will know what this was all about.")
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To: bert
The unemployed now mostly cinsists of people who don't work.

Unassailable logic bump. ;)

13 posted on 02/12/2006 10:48:16 AM PST by raybbr (ANWR is a barren, frozen wasteland - like the mind of a democrat!)
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To: A. Pole
Most winters my wife and I ski in the intermountain region ... CO or UT ski areas, we alternate. Many of the young people working in these resorts are from Australia or New Zealand. Vail just completed construction on a large nice looking dormitory (just off I-70) to accommodate their seasonal workers ... which other ski areas will probably emulate. Reasonably priced housing near ski areas is tough to come by and discourages many youngsters from wanting to work in high end winter resorts.
14 posted on 02/12/2006 10:50:39 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: Clintonfatigued
New England Yankees import cheap Irish labor.
High Plains farmers import cheap Scandinavian labor.
Mid West factories import cheap German labor.

What, you want to send them back too?
What's your solution, wait, I already know. Pay more. Ok, genius. Up in the sticks mountain ski resorts are in the leisure buisness. No one needs to go skiing. The business is competing against other leisue activities such as going to Florida. Raise prices to pay labor, customers do something else, like Florida. You going to help pay the people in the hick towns that live off the ski resorts, tax the resorts, pay for their schools, police and fire? I didn't think so. So for the sake of some unknown American, supposedly just dieing to work in a low pay, low skilled, season job...you'd have the resort, the town, the money go tapioca? atip.
15 posted on 02/12/2006 10:52:16 AM PST by Leisler (Islam Macht Fries!)
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To: Leisler

You want the US to become like what California is nmow, politically, then just keep on importing cheap labor. Soon enough, there will be no chance any conservative will be elected president.


16 posted on 02/12/2006 10:54:36 AM PST by RFT1
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To: hillary's_fat_a**
Hell, why go all the way to Chile, Brazil, and Peru to find these workers? There are plenty of Mexicans willing to do the work Americans won't do!

Yes, but unlike Mexicans, Chileans know how to ski. How many ski resorts do you think there are in Guadelajara?

17 posted on 02/12/2006 10:56:37 AM PST by Alter Kaker ("Whatever tears one sheds, in the end one always blows one's nose." - Heine)
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To: Clintonfatigued
It was a job I held when in high school 25 years ago, we couldn't get half the people to show up then. I don't think free trade has much to do with this. You should take a couple of economics courses at your local college. Stay away from the courses offered by the rather socialist, er sociology departments and take the courses from the business department. As someone who has done both I can tell you the social scientists are socialists who believe in command control economics. I would also suggest you visit the Walter E. Williams website for some insight. http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/
18 posted on 02/12/2006 10:57:25 AM PST by Camel Joe
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To: A. Pole
In England the non-working Brits are complaining about the hard working Poles taking their jobs. Some reports say that half of the workers on construction sites are Polish. In France and Germany, same. French plumbers complain that Polish plumbers work too fast, long hours and weekends. Polish plumbers say the French/Germans are just lazy. I suppose you support tossing these tradesmen back to Poland.
19 posted on 02/12/2006 10:58:15 AM PST by Leisler (Islam Macht Fries!)
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To: Leisler
New England Yankees import cheap Irish labor. High Plains farmers import cheap Scandinavian labor. Mid West factories import cheap German labor.

What, you want to send them back too?

It would be absurd and impossible to do so now. Same way as it will be absurd and impossible to to it to the future 700 million descendants of the immigrants from the Third World. Do you want USA to become multicultural 1 billion people society in pattern of India?

We do not know if the history of America would not be better if this continent were settled primarily by the descendants of XVIII century America.

20 posted on 02/12/2006 11:03:30 AM PST by A. Pole (Cain: "Am I my brother's keeper?")
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To: A. Pole

I'm surprised this is even a story. Seasonal resorts all over the U.S. have been hiring foreign workers for years. Businesses up and down the Jersey Shore, in fact, have had a hard time getting enough workers even after they started paying their travel and lodging expenses.


21 posted on 02/12/2006 11:06:47 AM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: RFT1
Somebody shows up wanting to fry eggs, dig plants, clean motel rooms and they are the one's responsible for what California is? What, these people vote high taxes, high pay, poor performance, whacked out environmentalism? These peopled are responsible for Boxer, Brown, Bradley, Gray Davis, Hollywood, people whoring, snorting, heroin, junk schools? Jose in the warehouse is responsible because his boss with the machine tool shop is getting fined,taxed,permitted,OSHA'd, EPA'd right out of business?

I don't think so.
22 posted on 02/12/2006 11:08:28 AM PST by Leisler (Islam Macht Fries!)
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To: Ax
I can't believe that there are no young Americans that wouldn't KILL to spend a summer in the glory of Yellowstone or the Grand Tetons.

Granted it was a long time ago, but when I looked for a summer job, easy access to booze and women was more important than glorying in the setting's natural beauty.

If you couldn't find the job with the booze and women bennies, you looked for one that would pay, say like in construction.

23 posted on 02/12/2006 11:08:47 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: A. Pole
As per article: Sunday River Resort (owner of other ski resorts across the country) near Bethel, Maine, has sent recruiters to Australia, South Africa, and South America in recent years, and this season filled out its 1,200-person workforce with (to fill the quota but often layoffs appear everything dependent on the weather for all tourism seasons) 80 international workers

Unemployment in Maine is:January 24, 2006 - Maine Unemployment Rate 4.8% in December

Maine ranks No. 2 in the nation in tax burden and No. 37 in personal income.

The Census Bureau estimated that in July 2004 Maine’s population had increased by an annual average of about 9,845 residents since 2000 (to 5,558,058 residents). Over that period immigration was adding about 975 persons each year through net international migration (more immigrants arriving than leaving).

There are many so described "cottage industries" or "extra/self-employed jobs" in Maine where I am quite sure "cash" is passed hand to hand for services and not reported. Fire wood now reaching well over $200-$250 a cord often unreported and a very thriving business. Many services escape the revenue radar as Mainers survive by throwing "the bird" to the "State Taxaholics" in Augusta.

A Lincoln, Maine resident was quoted as saying, "Here in Maine you either work for the State or you're on the State."

24 posted on 02/12/2006 11:12:48 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: A. Pole

We've always been multi cultural. Yankees in New England, Dutch/Germans along the Hudson, French in the mid Alantic, Scots in the South, Spanish in Florida, French in New Orleans, and Canada. As late as 50 years ago, these peoples cultures where at each others throats.



25 posted on 02/12/2006 11:13:43 AM PST by Leisler (Islam Macht Fries!)
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To: A. Pole

....I am curious who are those "unemployed who DO work"? ...

It has been reported to me that they are those who come around once and a while and attend a job for briefly but lack the wherewithall to report regularly. They sign up, attend briefly and are either fired or just fail to continue.


26 posted on 02/12/2006 11:14:48 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: Leisler
Somebody shows up wanting to fry eggs, dig plants, clean motel rooms and they are the one's responsible for what California is? What, these people vote high taxes, high pay, poor performance, whacked out environmentalism? These peopled are responsible for Boxer, Brown, Bradley, Gray Davis, Hollywood, people whoring, snorting, heroin, junk schools? Jose in the warehouse is responsible because his boss with the machine tool shop is getting fined,taxed,permitted,OSHA'd, EPA'd right out of business?

I don't think so.


Wonder why all the people who "vote high taxes, high pay, poor performance, whacked out environmentalism? These peopled are responsible for Boxer, Brown, Bradley, Gray Davis, Hollywood, people whoring, snorting, heroin, junk schools" in California voted for Reagan twice for governor and twice for president. In fact for forty straight years the only time California voted for the GOP candidate for president every year except 1964. The GOP has no hope of taking the multicultural California and you can count on your hero in the warehouse to vote for the guy with the (D) next to his name. That is why the guy with the (D) next to his name wants to bring over more.
27 posted on 02/12/2006 11:26:09 AM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: A. Pole

It also crossed my mind from reading the "entire" article you posted; that young foreign student workers are more "comfortable" coming to the United States and working than American young and adventuresome travelers/workers/students are in relation to the "security" of working overseas as Americans.


28 posted on 02/12/2006 11:27:17 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: A. Pole; Clintonfatigued

Good Lord!!! Will the last real American please turn off the lights, shut the generator down and take the flag? B-P


29 posted on 02/12/2006 11:27:58 AM PST by Nowhere Man (Q: What are the most sought after antiques? A: Anything with "Made in USA" on it, Thanks AK)
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To: fallujah-nuker
Correction: In fact for forty straight years the only time California voted for the GOP candidate for president every year except 1964.
30 posted on 02/12/2006 11:28:15 AM PST by fallujah-nuker (America needs more SAC and less empty sacs.)
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To: A. Pole

Two points...Planned Parenthood and their comrades murdered 50 million of the young people who might have otherwise filled these positions. Secondly; a lot of young people in New England have seen the long-term writing on the wall (higher taxes, astronomical heating and electric utility costs), and are heading south while the 'gettings good'.


31 posted on 02/12/2006 11:41:15 AM PST by who knows what evil? (New England...the Sodom and Gomorrah of the 21st Century, and they're proud of it!)
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To: A. Pole
Thanks for the ping.

I suspect Americans dont realize that young people, many from Eastern Europe, have been coming over to America to do seasonal work for years.

I meet these kids every summer when I go to Dewey Beach, Delaware.

There are apparently, international job shops set up which recruit these kids in their native countries, and handle all the paperwork, guest visas, and transportation. I suspect they also pay the kids a salary, or send the money direct to family members back home.

Don't get me wrong, most of these kids I have met were nice kids, very personable, and appeared to be good workers.

But I have to wonder...where are the American kids working...the ones, who, (as I once did myself), use summer work as a means of financing their own education, or start their own businesses?
32 posted on 02/12/2006 11:48:17 AM PST by Dat Mon (Mr President, pick up the phone and tell DIA to stop the persecution of Lt Col Shaffer)
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To: fallujah-nuker
A. The GOP isn't and hasn't ever been conservative.
B. Nixon, Ford, Bush Sr and Jr, were/are liberals. Reagan was a conservative.
C. The Congress has never been, and I don't see it ever in the next 50 years, if ever, being conservative. So what President there is, doesn't matter much if the laws remain the same. It appears they will for some time.
D. Legal, long term Americans are responsible for what America is, has been and will be.
33 posted on 02/12/2006 12:12:18 PM PST by Leisler (Islam Macht Fries!)
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To: HIDEK6; cardinal4

The only place there was no booze on that trip was in the Mormon Temple in SLC. And some of those eastern European girls would knock your socks off.


34 posted on 02/12/2006 12:13:42 PM PST by Ax (Guards! Seize that man!)
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To: Dat Mon
Seasonal resorts can't possibly pay enough to hire American kids -- primarily because those American kids make up a sizeable portion of their customer base.
35 posted on 02/12/2006 12:27:34 PM PST by Alberta's Child (Leave a message with the rain . . . you can find me where the wind blows.)
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To: Leisler; Clemenza
We've always been multi cultural.

Shhh... don't try to inject logic to a shouting match.

Besides, we're supposed to be this homogeneously Anglo-Saxon culture, you know??? After all, Rudy Giuliani's ancestors came on the Mayflower. /sarc

36 posted on 02/12/2006 1:06:55 PM PST by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: El Conservador; A. Pole
Few things as sexy as a Chilena or Portena wearing ski pants.

You folks out there who picture short fat Mexicans on the slopes have obviously never met ladies (or gentleman) from the Southern Cone countries, many of whom are whiter than I am.

37 posted on 02/12/2006 1:10:23 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: bert

"They while away their days not working, lazily allowing others to do for them that which they are unwilling to do for themselves in their drug fog. They lack the gumption to get up every day and earn their keep. They are the dregs, the scummy film at the bottom of the American barrel. They report, get in a day or two and then somehow can't make it a third in a row. They have endless excuses for what is actually just plain laziness. "

Yeah and so who exactly wants to hire these people? And who wants to be served by these people? I'll take a hard-working LEGAL foreigner over a lazy American any day of the week. Just because you happen to be born in the US doesn't give you the right to a paycheck. You have to earn that paycheck with an honest day's work. I keep hearing about Amerians losing work to immigrants, but I never actually met one. There are plenty of jobs for anyone who wants one and is competent to do the work.


38 posted on 02/12/2006 1:15:03 PM PST by Kirkwood ("When the s*** hits the fan, there is enough for everyone.")
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To: bert; A. Pole
They lack the gumption to get up every day and earn their keep. They are the dregs, the scummy film at the bottom of the American barrel. They report, get in a day or two and then somehow can't make it a third in a row. They have endless excuses for what is actually just plain laziness.

Strange that nature should create a species--in this case, homo sapiens--that is loathe to make a living for itself.

Any other animal that refused to earn its keep would soon become extinct.

And yet how is it that so many humans are born who do not want to earn their living?

One would think such genes would have become extinct.

Or perhaps the way our industrial world expects people to make a living is too artificial for many to adapt to it.

And the "fault" may not be laziness, but the unnatural lifestyle imposed by industrialization.

39 posted on 02/12/2006 1:18:59 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: bert; A. Pole

What's worse, we are becoming increasingly industrialized, ensuring more unhappy workers who are forced to do artificial jobs--

Jobs that are really a kind of industrial slavery.

And expected to do those job for many, many hours longer each day than did their hunting and gathering ancestors--

Which ancestors likely provided all their food and keep with two or three hours of work a day.

After all, how many hours a day do lions work?


40 posted on 02/12/2006 1:22:17 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Ax

can't believe that there are no young Americans that wouldn't KILL to spend a summer in the glory of Yellowstone or the Grand Tetons.



I know someone who spent a Summer working in the kitchen at Yellowstone. It's not that great of an experience.


41 posted on 02/12/2006 1:40:20 PM PST by thathamiltonwoman
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To: Leisler

Take a look at the Hispanic vote, especially how the post 1970 immigrant Hispanic vote stacks up. Hispanics provide the votes for the white liberals, hispanic Democrats in the state legislature are almost identical to white and black Democrats in the state legislature in terms of how liberal they are.

It is little wonder why pro busienss "Conservatives" are hell bent on flushing any future viability down the drain just to make an extyra buck for the next quarter.


42 posted on 02/12/2006 2:02:53 PM PST by RFT1
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To: Age of Reason
After all, how many hours a day do lions work?

I guess the lions must be much more productive that stupid and lazy workers of today.

43 posted on 02/12/2006 2:37:26 PM PST by A. Pole (If outsourcing is such a good thing, why don't the executives outsource their own jobs overseas?)
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To: Leisler
Raise prices to pay labor, customers do something else, like Florida.

It is quite evident that you are not a skiier.

45 posted on 02/12/2006 4:57:58 PM PST by Archangelsk (Handbasket, hell. Get used to the concept.)
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To: Age of Reason
......Any other animal that refused to earn its keep would soon become extinct......

If you replace the concept of species with varieties of species then it can be said that natural selection is in the process under discussion. All are Homo sapiens, but there are varietal gene pools in competition. Rather than extinction, varietal decline is more likely.

The process is best observed in Europe. Liberalism promotes the equality of the declining variety because of misguided belief that even those who are a drag on society must be supported. The result will be that a stronger, more highly motivated variety will enter Europe and displace both the natives and the Arabs. They will come from Asia.

46 posted on 02/13/2006 5:02:47 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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To: A. Pole

There is no more "buy American" and there is no more concern for fellow Americans. The American middle class has been sold out in the name of profiteering. Every job now that is given to an unskilled foreigner is now falsely labeled "a job that an American will not do".


47 posted on 02/13/2006 5:15:16 AM PST by Buffettfan
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To: bert
The result will be that a stronger, more highly motivated variety will enter Europe and displace both the natives and the Arabs. They will come from Asia.

I disagree. Strength, motivation, success are irrelevant in that aspect. What matters is the number of children. You can have couple of degrees, tons of money, motivation but if you have less than two/plus children you are on your way to extinction.

48 posted on 02/13/2006 5:44:31 AM PST by A. Pole (Evolution has demonstrated that the optimal IQ is the average IQ !)
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To: A. Pole

In Tahoe, speaking Spanish is becoming a valuable skill. Simply to ask the lift operator a question! To be fair, some of these workers do the year round thing, moving between here and the Andes. Many US workers in the ski industry are not as mobile as some of the Chileans, Argentinians and Peruvians tend to be.


49 posted on 02/16/2006 3:22:06 PM PST by GOP_1900AD (Stomping on "PC," destroying the Left, and smoking out faux "conservatives" - Take Back The GOP!)
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