Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Revolution on Wheels ( Fed Up )
Barrons ^ | FEBRUARY 13, 2006 | KAREN HUBE

Posted on 02/12/2006 10:29:12 PM PST by george76

From 2000 through 2004, a net 1.3 million people moved out of states with taxes on ordinary income and into those without such taxes...

Quietly, without banners or raised fists, they are packing up their families and belongings and moving from high-tax states like California and New York to lower-tax locales like Florida, Nevada and Texas.

While climate clearly has played a role in the moves --

fed up with giving an ever-growing share of their riches to the state tax man.

Many are upset at moves by New York, New Jersey and a number of other states to squeeze ever larger revenues from estate taxes.

Florida not only has no income tax, it also has no estate tax and shields assets tied up in a residence from creditors.

California residents, who pay one of the highest income-tax rates in the nation -- 9.3% -- are hopping across the border to Nevada, the region's biggest tax haven, with no income or estate taxes.

In all, California suffered a 693,730 net decline in its population so far this decade, despite a burgeoning immigrant population.

The federal government's alternative minimum tax is perhaps causing the most angst.

Originally created for the super rich in the 1960s, the AMT is whacking more and more middle-income earners.

"The AMT can be so bad that I have actually recommended that some of my clients move to avoid it," ...

Consider sales taxes.

In Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon, the tax stands at 0%, while California charges 7.25% and Mississippi, Rhode Island and Tennessee each charges 7%.

The amount states are adding to fuel costs also ranges widely, from 19 cents a gallon of gasoline in Arizona, to 36 cents in Illinois, to almost 46 cents in New York.

(Excerpt) Read more at online.barrons.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: capital; florida; foodtaxes; g77; hightaxes; lawofcapital; migration; nevada; tax; taxachusetts; taxes; texas; wristons; wristonslawofcapital
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-28 next last

1 posted on 02/12/2006 10:29:14 PM PST by george76
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: george76
In all, California suffered a 693,730 net decline in its population so far this decade, despite a burgeoning immigrant population.

More than made up for with all the ILLEGAL immigrants from Mexico and al Qaeda.

2 posted on 02/12/2006 10:32:00 PM PST by JRios1968 (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than take a ride with Ted Kennedy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JRios1968

3 posted on 02/12/2006 10:33:44 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: george76

Producers move out, and freeloaders move in.

The scary part is when they use their electoral clout to take money out of low tax states to fund their welfare states. It will happen eventually.


4 posted on 02/12/2006 10:34:42 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: JRios1968

Al-Qaeda?


5 posted on 02/12/2006 10:34:57 PM PST by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: MinorityRepublican

I can read just as well as you, and I have seen the reports of Middle Eastern men crossing the border with the Mexicans...


6 posted on 02/12/2006 10:37:28 PM PST by JRios1968 (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than take a ride with Ted Kennedy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Chandler; SC Swamp Fox

In South Carolina, back-and-forth movers even have a name: halfbacks.

"It's for people who were originally up North, moved to Florida and then ended up around here,"...


7 posted on 02/12/2006 10:38:41 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: george76

PA is growing steadily as people from NJ look at their property tax bills and even though PA is higher than normal, compared to NJ it is a bargain.


8 posted on 02/12/2006 10:42:11 PM PST by ikka
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ikka

Is this accurate ?



Northerners don't have to move all the way to Florida to save taxes.

For instance, many people who leave Manhattan for the suburbs are skipping over New York and New Jersey communities and settling for longer commutes from Connecticut or Pennsylvania.

Both states not only have lower housing costs and property taxes, but far lower income-tax rates, as well.

Pennsylvania has a flat rate of 3.07%, and Connecticut's top rate is 5%, while New Jersey's is 8.97% and New York's 7.7%.


9 posted on 02/12/2006 10:45:21 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: george76

I find that map a bit suspicious. Few people would want to leave Colorado for Wyoming just for tax reasons.


10 posted on 02/12/2006 10:56:01 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Jeff Chandler

I couldn't agree more. Here in Arizona the damn lefty californians are coming here and shifting the electoral scene dramatically. I'm looking at going back to New Hampshire... NO state sales tax and NO state income tax.


11 posted on 02/12/2006 11:12:17 PM PST by pediatricsman (An empty mind is a Democrat ... a waste)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: george76
The Barrons article seems to be timely and right on the money.

We are approaching 70 and on fixed retirement income. The tax situation in various states, next to climate, has been the single biggest influence in our decision, up to this point to remain in Florida. We would like to move west to be nearer family. Texas has the only tax structure we can accept. Taos and a few other places would be great but we refuse to pay taxes on our retirement income and food. And so it goes with most other states, some of whose tax policies are confiscatory.

There are 5 states with no income tax most have climates or political orientations that are unacceptable to us.

It seems to be the height of folly regarding state government fiscal policy, to not realize the demographic changes which are taking place in the population. The boomers are retiring. Most will have disposable income as do most of the older folks around here. I haven't looked at the figures but I believe I heard that retirees represent the wealthiest demographic.

A wise state administration would do well to adjust the income tax structure to attract the aging among us. The state would be better off in the long run.

12 posted on 02/12/2006 11:15:06 PM PST by Banjoguy (I will rot in Hell before I buy another Dell!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: pediatricsman

You've hit on the two of the reasons we won't relocate to Arizona. One other is that housing and food prices are being 'Californicated.'


13 posted on 02/12/2006 11:21:09 PM PST by Banjoguy (I will rot in Hell before I buy another Dell!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: george76

Barrons will not allow entry beyond the advert at the entry to the website....sucks.


14 posted on 02/12/2006 11:22:44 PM PST by Banjoguy (I will rot in Hell before I buy another Dell!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: ikka
yup I did it. Mercer County, NJ(38yrs) to Central PA- Mifflin County.
For taxes alone. car ins. = 1/3 of NJ
property taxes 1/5!
no rat race.
cleaner
safer
libs are few
I don't have to wait a year for my gun permits.
and soon SWANN for Gov.
There is no comparison.
15 posted on 02/12/2006 11:49:56 PM PST by BlueHeaven (http://www.swannforgovernor.com/calendar/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: JRios1968

An added aspect of the nightmare... consider the racial/economic makeup of this shift (speaking of California only). Who do you think comprised the net 690,000 + who left California. For those of you in Rio Linda that means even after the thousands of illegals that poured across the border there was still a decrease of 693,730 people in the state. Yes they were people who could AFFORD to move. Is it starting to come together for ya? California is going in the tank!


16 posted on 02/12/2006 11:58:58 PM PST by stand4somethin
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: george76
I left California in May 2004. I loved living in Sunset Beach/ Huntington Beach, but taxes and state expenses were just too much to deal with.
I liked life at the beach, but the overall cost just became too high.
17 posted on 02/13/2006 5:00:13 AM PST by Khurkris ("Hell, I was there"...Elmer Keith.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: stand4somethin

That's why I'm looking for the way out ASAP.


18 posted on 02/13/2006 5:20:46 AM PST by JRios1968 (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than take a ride with Ted Kennedy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Banjoguy

This access just worked.

http://online.barrons.com/article/SB113962615857771564.html?mod=9_0031_b_this_weeks_magazine_main


19 posted on 02/13/2006 6:45:01 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Khurkris

20 posted on 02/13/2006 6:48:53 AM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-28 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson