Posted on 02/20/2006 7:46:11 AM PST by Dark Skies
When President Bush gave his "axis of evil" speech he went out of his way to make the world understand that it isn't a war with Islam itself that we were joining — and I say joining because the war had been started by the Jihadists decades before. And, in observance to our Western principles, that must be the correct way to view our conflagration with radical Islam.
Let's face facts, it certainly is uncomfortable to a Westerner who has been brought up on tolerance, freedom of religion, and liberty to contemplate a war against an entire religion. But are we approaching a time when Western nations won't have a choice but to target Islam itself in certain ways to keep their own people safe. The best course of action is to make public displays of Islam and certain of its practices illegal in Western nations.
So, the question becomes are we at that time now? Are we fast approaching a time when Mosques will be closed and banned? Have we come to a time when Islamic literature is turned away from our borders? Have the childish and dangerous reactions of Muslims to this cartoon in a Danish newspaper proven that Islam cannot be trusted to be a vital, peaceful, and law-abiding segment of society?
It is looking like yes is the answer to these queries.
We are already approaching this today. In Ontario they have officially outlawed Muslim Sharia law, that law that uses religious precepts to enforce moral and society codes of conduct. And Muslim "family councils" have been stopped where local community groups may supplement Canadian law with their local custom.
Several members of the John Howard administration in Australia have spoken out against Islamic clashes with Western notions of law and societal comportment many times over the last few years.
Recently Howard himself said, "I do think there is this particular complication because there is a fragment which is utterly antagonistic to our kind of society, and that is a difficulty ... You can't find any equivalent in Italian, or Greek, or Lebanese, or Chinese or Baltic immigration to Australia. There is no equivalent of raving on about jihad, but that is the major problem."
Muslims routinely destroy property, threaten death and bodily harm to those who speak out against them, and they constantly fund terrorism throughout the world. In Syria they have burnt an embassy, in Europe Muslims have been responsible for murdering people who have written out against Islam or made movies, and other forms of art. These actions are also approved by Islamic teachers (Imams) and religious leaders, not just undertaken by warped loners claiming to represent Islam quite against the will of the majority or authority.
With this ridiculous cartoon issue, we have seen that Islam has no sense of perspective. In the west parody or satire is seen as not only common, but completely harmless for the most part. And religion is not immune to parody and satire, though even in the west most people are often uncomfortable with religious satire. Usually only people filled with hate attack religion in parody and most in the West instinctively know this. As a result, most people dismiss such parody as foolishness and bad taste.
But with Muslims overreacting — in western eyes at least — to this silly cartoon issue in the way they have, it becomes nearly impossible for Westerners to view Islam as a peaceful religion, but more as a vicious hate group itself. And that perception is justified with the actions that Muslims have increasingly perpetrated over the ensuing years. So, we find that Islam presents a danger to the safety of the populace all too often. It is violent, oppressive, and reactionary.
But, what is to be done about it? We have been raised to feel that religion should be left untouched by government. Freedom of religion is at the very core of our beliefs. And this concept is an important one to uphold. So, how can we honestly and without hypocrisy begin to look toward making Islam illegal?
There is a parallel of sorts in the USA that might be used as a template for action. The Ku klux Klan.
After the Civil War ended, the KKK arose from the ashes of war as an advocacy group for the disenfranchised white voter in the south. But it quickly became a terrorist organization bent on taking out revenge on the south's newly freed black population for having lost the war. It got so bad that even one of the original organizers, C.S. Cavalry General Nathan Bedford Forrest, denounced the organization and quit it in disgust.
But as the late 1800s rolled on and the south began to re-enter the Union as full partners in government, the KKK began to lose steam and prominence. For a time it subsided. But as the 20th century neared, it re-emerged and this time became a nationwide and powerful force taking on the flavor of religious, civic and racial duty. The KKK became invested in government and claimed millions of members nation wide.
In the 1920s, however, it became too much for a liberty loving country to allow the KKK to any longer exist. In Indiana, the entire state government was scandalized by their fealty to Indiana's Klan leader who had raped and beaten his secretary on a train trip. Violence against and frequent lynching of southern blacks became so pervasive that Congress finally acted and banned the Klan. The organization collapsed never again to reclaim the power and prominence it once had.
Now, the KKK has always based its precepts on Christianity, as well as racial identity. It also reacted with violence, rallies, death threats and killing when it was threatened. It careened far away from being a mere "idea" or religious theology and became a terrorist organization. And it became a terrorist organization even though literally millions of Americans that belonged to or identified with the Klan were not themselves violent, evil, or dangerous citizens.
The leadership of the Klan supported violence. The leadership preached violence. The leadership planned and fomented it. Therefore, it had to go because it became a danger to every law-abiding citizen, whether they agreed with the racial and religious concepts the Klan espoused or not.
Islam has become the KKK of the 21st century. The sooner we awake to this truth and take steps to ban the religion, or somehow curtail its pernicious influence the better. The west is going to have to put sever restrictions on Islamic Mosques and public display of Islam. Further, devout Muslims should not be allowed to hold public office (though it certainly should not become a racial issue — sins of the father should not be visited upon the sons).
This is no religious purge as in centuries past. In the past religions were banned to be replaced by the state sponsored sect and believers of the banned religion were mistreated, tortured, unduly taxed, and terrorized. This is absolutely not the model the west would follow by banning aspects of Islam today. No religion is replacing Islam and no one is suggesting that Muslims be mistreated. But the creed to which they hold is fast becoming the most dangerous one in the world today. It is a fine line that we walk to consider banning Islam, but the safety of society is at risk not to do so.
This is not an easy conclusion at which to arrive. But if we continue to turn a blind eye to the danger that Islam presents to the west, we are signing our own death warrants.
The KKK was put down in the USA and made powerless for the same reason. Communism was destroyed for the same reason, as well. Islam is a danger to the world.
Unfortunately, it is just that simple.
"And in a couple of generations as Muslims increasingly become the majority that makes the laws, repeals the First Amendment and otherwise amends and interprets the Constitution as they see fit, and one's grandaugheter is in some sheik's harem in Chicago, then what? That's their plan, isn't it? "
"We wouldn't be outlawing religion. Just enforcing sedition laws they way they were meant to be enforced."
Uh-huh.
And when President Hillary Clinton orders evangelical Christian churches outlawed under the guise of "enforcing sedition laws they way they were meant to be enforced," I take it you'd be just peachy-keen with that, especially when Janet Reno calls in the tanks.
Darlin',
I'm not mad.....so smile sugar.
I've seen the bad side of another religion....So I really REALLY do believe that in the right hands, ANY belief system can be twisted. And has been. The Bible, the Constitution, that fine print at the bottom of an insurance premium. All can be twisted.
If everyone who was Muslim was 'in' on the justification, I would buy it. But it seems that a very high percentage of them aren't. THEY believe they have a religion. Really. They find joy, peace, self-discipline,etc.
Jeez, all the things that others find in their religion.
We either alienate them, and make the war bigger, or go after the bad seed while trying to cultivate a reformation in the 'good' guys.
Just because you paint a form of destert tribal government as a "religion" does not mean it has absolute protection any more than yelling fire in a croweded theater.
Islam has a simple ultimate goal. Covert to Islam, Submit to Islam, or die. There is no room for a USA government of any kind in there.
ANY islamist would gladly burn the original constitution and bill of rights.
Islam is a government form just as communism was a government form. You just have the useful idiots dancing the PC hoola because they are too naive to realize the real danger faced by this resurgent blood evil.
I posted this upthread...
At a deeper level, the question still remains..."what do you do with a religion that (in and of itself) inherently violates and teaches it adherents to violate the 1st Amendment to the Constitution."
What do you do with a religion that wants to remove your right to practice your religion, what do you do with a religion that is devoted to Allah over country and Sharia over a country's laws...and believes that the U.S. Constitution should be replaced with sharia and that the U.S., indeed, the world must become an islamic theocracy.
Any muslim that believes otherwise is defined by the koran as a non-believer, an apostate...or, as we at FR would call him, a MINO.
"If we can ban the KKK"
Problem is, we can't, and we haven't.
"The big difference is that islam still enforces every call for beheading, every call for amputation, every call for stoning."
Not in the United States of America they aren't.
The Constitution is not a suicide pact.
"Then we need another amendment to make an exception for Islam."
OK. Contact your Congressman and Senators and tell them to start the process of a Constitutional Amendment. Let me know what they answer.
It appears this theory is in danger of being disproven. What happens once it becomes clear that the 'crazies' are the 'religion'?
Amen!
"When the right to practice a religion becomes illegal the terrorists have won."
Lets just take away their tax exempt status for too much political involvement- They advocate a Caliphate in the wahabbi run mosques.
I can think of three thousand innocent civilians murdered if not beheaded...in the name of Allah.
LOL, somehow I doubt they have that particular type of moment. Heck, I doubt anyone does. :)
Well, outlaw islam in the current form, as closed off to interpretation. Have them create the 'new mosque of islam', a true 'religeon of peace (tm)', reform the belief so it doesn't require political power and/or killing of infidels, and get to preaching/worshipping. Of course, they might get killed for being apostates in the mean time.
What would I do ? Well, I personally believe that religeon is between the man and god directly, so if someone said 'your beliefs are now outlawed', I'd just shrug and go on believing as I do. I don't need a place of worship, nor do I need someone to tell me what I should believe, nor do I need to tell others how to believe. My hereafter is between god and myself. In the meantime, I have more important things to attend to in my mortail coil, such as, keeping an eye on crazy religeous fanatics cutting it short.
So we just enforce laws against acts and behaviors.
Not religious belief. :)
"No, it's the text of the first political cartoon ever printed in an American newspaper."
Hey! But wasn't Ben Franklin a Muslim? No? Never mind.
islam calls explicitly for the forced conversion, enslavement and/or death of non-believers. That would be OK, if they didn't actually do it. Sadly, they have quite the cottage industry of doing it at every opportunity.
It's no accident that islam has been described as a religion defined by bloody borders, nor that of the 22 or so active armed conflicts around the world 90% involve islam.
Oops sorry missed your adjective "American."
If most of the six+ million American Muslims were tacit or active terrorists, Main Street USA would look like Fallujah.
I now return you to the Two Minute's Hate, already in progress.
Oh, come on! Didn't you read about the 6,743 Americans beheaded this morning on their way to Presidents' Day sales across the fruited plain?
BTW, this post is fully compliant with the maxim that 86% of all statistics quoted on the Internet are made up at time of post...
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