[jpsb]

There are, it seems to me, three powerful natural forces in play in the middle east, North Africa and "the Stans" The inevitable clash of Civilization, (the West vrs Islam), the Sunni/Wabi vrs Shiite war, and lastly the growing "nationalist" desire among Muslims for a super state "Nation of Islam". How nation states put together by British map makers of 100 years ago can survive the coming clash of historic nature forces is beyond me. At the end of the day there will be one or two Islamic super states and Iraq will be part of them.

Shiite Iran is bidding to be the leader of the Islamic super state, I am still waiting to see which state will bid to be the Sunni/Wabe alternative.

Hard to imagine western styled secular democracies taking root in such an environment. But even harder still to imagine would be the West/India allowing such an Islamic Super State to come into existance.

[billbears]

Hard to imagine western styled secular democracies taking root in such an environment.

It's hard to imagine because that's not what they want. Of course you'll see the comparisons of Japan and Germany from those to refuse to accept reality but it doesn't change the facts. You've made the point quite clearly. These are nothing more than nation states established by British map makers.

The only concern I have in the region is Israel. And there I believe in full 100 percent protection of said state. However this protection does not include an offensive action on every Arabic state in the region.

The West may very well not have the ability to stop the rise of the Islamic superstate. By trying to establish a democracy in the region (the right to choose one's own form of government) it possibly could have laid the groundwork for an even quicker establishment of such a state. And considering long term relations, it very well may not want to stop it. It could even bring stabilization to the region.