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A Grand Strategy on Ending Poverty Could Separate Dems from GOP
Madison.com ^ | February 27, 2006 | Bill Spevacek

Posted on 02/27/2006 2:46:40 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Spend a bit more on education and energy, medical and agricultural research; a bit less on automobiles and extravagant lifestyles.

Oh, please, we've try this EVERY time a democrat wins an election.

Clinton put a LUXURY tax on the rich. Yachts and expensive boats were highly taxed, for example. Well, the rich aren't stupid, so they bought fewer boats. Result? Several yacht manufacturers driven out of business, and the craftsmen who worked for them, blue collar stalwarts who built ships and yachts generation after generation, passing down skills from father to son, unemployed.

It's so easy to be compassionate and concerned with other peoples money, but often extremely simplistic and the results are not intuitive toward the solution desired. Actions have consequences. Generally, people have to strive and work for things they want. Anything else is pampering.

81 posted on 02/27/2006 4:54:22 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: dead

LOL! :)


82 posted on 02/27/2006 4:55:50 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (Save The Earth. It's The Only Planet With Chocolate.)
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To: small voice in the wilderness
Yes, I'm curious, too, as Jesus said: "For ye have the poor always with you; but me ye have not always." Matthew 26:11.

Jesus was right. Poor is a relative term. But it should be noted that in the United States the living standard of the poor keeps rising.

83 posted on 02/27/2006 5:10:09 PM PST by Moonman62 (Federal creed: If it moves tax it. If it keeps moving regulate it. If it stops moving subsidize it)
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To: Dog Gone
Thats very true. No matter what you do you will always have poor people. If you were able to magically raise the lowest paid person in the country to $60,000.00 per year with no inflation there still would be poor people comparatively to that of say a rich person who makes $10 million a year. We are all poor compared to someone else.

Now the bible dose say we should look out for our neighbors, make sure they can provide for themselves (note not provide for them. Unless they simply can not say they are disabled or something like that). If we want to help make the world safe, democratic, and free then we need to help eliminate unnecessary human suffering by assisting those that wish to help themselves. Otherwise you are just wasting your time. You cant force someone to be self sufficient. But you also should not enable them by providing them financial assistance to further there addiction to sloth.
84 posted on 02/27/2006 5:10:43 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

I tried to be obedient and get all the guffaws and harrumphs out of my system; but as I read, new ones kept emerging with accelerating frequency. Sorry!


85 posted on 02/27/2006 5:11:53 PM PST by hinckley buzzard (at)
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To: spikeytx86

If we had a per capita income of a million bucks a year, we'd still have people who sleep in cardboard boxes under freeway overpasses. Sometimes poverty is a lifestyle choice.


86 posted on 02/27/2006 5:20:46 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
And, oh yes, eliminating poverty is a dominant message of the Bible, if that means anything to you.

Eliminating poverty is not in the Bible. Even in the last days we will still have the poor.


87 posted on 02/27/2006 5:56:48 PM PST by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: Dog Gone

Thats true too. The homeless are not always people who just had terrible luck. A lot are schizophrenics that actually come from middle and upper class families and backgrounds but are just disturbed. A lot are drug addicts and alcoholics. And there are some who just had a string of terrible luck, however they are not anywhere near the majority. Those who are truly down on there luck could easily be helped by private charities except that bureaucrats keep taking more and more in taxes that people otherwise probably would have donated to charity.


88 posted on 02/27/2006 6:23:05 PM PST by spikeytx86 (Beware the Democratic party has been over run by CRAB PEOPLE!)
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To: spikeytx86

Many homeless people are mentally ill or addicted to drugs and/or alcohol. Relatively few are people who just hit hard financial times for whatever reason.

Some are just people who aren't blessed with a decent IQ and are unliked by their families or anyone else.

Some I feel sorry for and some I don't. But nearly all of them have opted out of the social safety net that exists. If they're not staying at a shelter, it's almost always because they don't want to live by the rules in effect there.


89 posted on 02/27/2006 6:38:44 PM PST by Dog Gone
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

LOL, another "Ingrate Society" program from the rats?
How much this time? $500 trillion?


90 posted on 02/27/2006 6:40:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Aurric dihydrogen oxide

Your friend is a windbag with poor grasp of reality, economically speaking ... basically a bunch of verbosity in order to praise, without being forced to actually cite anything specific:

"the accomplishments of the European models"

LOL! Tell us another good one!

The United States since 1980 has outperformed the major European nations economically and continues to grow faster with higher productivity gains, vastly higher employment gains, and lower unemplyoment rates.

Those few nations that have grown faster than the US (such as Ireland) did so using the supply-side model of lower taxes and lower Government spending to fuel their economic success.


91 posted on 02/27/2006 6:47:04 PM PST by WOSG (http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com/)
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To: Aurric dihydrogen oxide
Keynes, anyone?

I believe it was Nixon who said we are all Keynesians now. And proceeded to act like it, ultimately culminating in Wage/Price controls, WIN buttons and other nonsense. None of it worked. Which is why we got to 21% inflation under Carter, and $800 an oz. gold.

So no, I don't think Keynesian economics are good, or work. In fact, basically he supported Government and big banks working together to manipulate the money supply to stimulate growth. Greenspan is the biggest Keynesian ever, and the bitter fruit of what he has sown will not be long in being harvested, in my opinion.

A little bit of socialism is a like a little bit of the clap...

92 posted on 02/27/2006 6:57:45 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
Wow. After they get done with poverty, maybe they can do something about sunspots, ants at picnics, and the common cold.

-ccm

93 posted on 02/27/2006 8:30:32 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Aurric dihydrogen oxide
It's worth noting also that Norway currently owns bragging rights to the highest quality of life in the world, despite a significantly smaller GDP

Norway also owns billions of barrels of oil that it can pump out of the North Sea for $10 a barrel and sell for $60.

-ccm

94 posted on 02/27/2006 8:32:05 PM PST by ccmay (Too much Law; not enough Order)
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To: Aurric dihydrogen oxide
"Actual (or real, whichever you prefer), are you sure you aren't thinking of nominal- that I will happily agree with you on?"

Capital = ability to generate new wealth/resources. Every time a new production facility, mine, or any other wealth-producing entity is created, capital increases.

There is no fundamental limit to capital. Even the resources of the planet are not.

95 posted on 02/28/2006 4:42:48 AM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
How do they propose to eliminate poverty? They couldn't even keep the Katrina Hurricane victims housed and fed for the rest of their lives. If they couldn't manage to change the lot of victims of a natural disaster, how are they going to make the rest of the country's poor rich? Let's just go back to the Great Society and spend billions more on fighting poverty. For sure, it would will work this time.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

96 posted on 02/28/2006 4:48:38 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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