Bye-bye baby (Childfree and Loving It)

Telegraph ^ | February 26, 2006 | Julia Llewellyn Smith

[muir_redwoods]

These are precisely the people who should not have children because they still are children. Leave the child-bearing and rearing to the grown-ups. We'll take care of it.

[Wormwood]

Meanwhile, the Muslim population continues to grow.

No offense, but of the many reasons I can imagine to reproduce, out-breeding Muslims is hardly one of them.

[caver]

I agree with you. These people shouldn't be reproducing. My own brother has never had kids and it's a good thing. He is 45 years old and acts like a 15 year old. My Mother, stupid as she is, bought my brother a house, pays all utilites and his car. If she hadn't done that, my brother might have to stand on his own two feet.

[Draco]

Boy you folks are quite "high and mighty". You think your better than these people who don't want kids ... you sound like the liberal elites you rail against all the time. What a bunch of hypocrites!

Calm down old boy. The word "hypocrites" is not properly applied here. We disagree with them. We are not doing one thing while maintaining the opposite should be done. Sure there are people who don't want children. Fine. Free country. Both of my parents came from Europe, actually, one escaped. Europeans (my immediate ancestors) have participated in the greatest carnage in human history within the lifetime of many alive today. There is a spiritual problem there. If you read the post -- and not slam those who comment on it -- you will see the existentialist problem raised right there.

[chinche]

Childless, er, planning not to, never, sterility as lifestyle, um, no kids forever - uh, um, er . . . . remind me again why same sex couples should not be allowed to get married.

[bella1]

Aren't you glad that your mother wasn't smart enough not to reproduce? The fact remains, Europe is under breeding itself out of existence and will be Eurabia in short order simply because the Muslims will be "fruitful and multiply and replenish the Earth". In my humble opinion, Europe has a spiritual problem. The have become worshipers of pleasure more than worshipers of God and have traded the truth for a lie. They will live to regret this.

[Paulus]

Good luck trying to keep up with the illegals in your own country.

[shekkian]

Sounds like a good reason to me. Among all the others.

[Bismark]

This is their choice, and yes they are entitled to make this choice.

At the same time, people can comment on the choice. How can we not observe that people who make this choice seem to want to prolong their adolescence, like Peter Pan. They remain children.

[Draco]

Childless, er, planning not to, never, sterility as lifestyle, um, no kids forever - uh, um, er . . . . remind me again why same sex couples should not be allowed to get married.

What does one have to do with the other? Are you saying because there are childless heterosexual couples that that gives homosexuals the right to marry? Homosexuality makes human reproduction (the subject of the article) impossible. What does homosexuality have to do with any of this?

[ken5050]

Wouldn't you like to see the women quoted in the article repeat their statements while hooked to a polygraph...I suspect that a large part of it is crapola, er..phony justification..

Besides, if you don't have children, you'll never experience the TRUE joy..being a grandparent!!!...(G)

[carumba]

...convince themselves of something that, deep within, the are not comfortable with.

A spot of potato, a bit of indigestion.

[50sDad]

...and your towel-headed neighbors, not having this self-indulgent attitude, will out-breed you in two generations. Welcome to Great Britistan.

[wgflyer]

"high and mighty"?

Well, maybe. Maybe not. I have no kids. Don't want any. But I don't get your aggression. If we look at things in a practical way, we can see that our own underbred USA is drowning in a sea of overbreeding, non American, non English speaking illegal aliens, muslims, etc. Many of us don't want kids because, aside from personal absorption, we don't feel up to raising them in such a liberal social climate where many high school graduates can't place the civil war in the correct half century or find a word in a dictionary. Not wanting to raise a family, and not caring to nurture an environment in which a family is desirable, is our own form of self destruction and nothing to be proud of. I'm part of the problem. I'd rather go fishing than deal with kids. But I certainly respect those (legal, red blooded) Americans who are bold enough to raise the kind of kids who, for example, populate our current military. Simultaneously, I loathe people who raise the kind of kids who populate our welfare offices, or clamor for free medical care in our hospital emergency rooms. As an atheist conservative, I believe that it is the duty of all non-liberals to foster an environment in which we have as many breeding Christian conservative patriotic red-blooded Americans as we can. Therein lies our salvation, and I can go fishing in peace.

[Atlantic Bridge]

Europe has a spiritual problem. The have become worshipers of pleasure more than worshipers of God and have traded the truth for a lie.

Interesting. Can you explain this a littlebit further?

[bella1]

Very easily. Europe was once overwhelmingly Christian and Christians have children. No longer. At best it is secular and is reaping the results. Soon it will be overwhelmingly Muslim as the dominant religion through immigration and birth rate, and the world is witnessing the results that brings. One needs only to listen to the reasons given by women who chose to remain childless. For the most part they for selfish reasons; travel, careers, not wanting to "hassle" with children, spending money on themselves etc. In the Old Testament, one of the first commands given by God was to "be fruitful and multiply and replenish the Earth". Those who heed that will rule; those who don't will be ruled over.

[auto power]

BTTT. Couldn't have said it better myself...

[bella1]

see #36

[wtc911]

"I am married to the nicest and prettiest girl you can think of..."

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No, I am.

[Atlantic Bridge]

All this "Eurabia" propaganda is BS. It is correct that we have a problem with young muslims in our country since they are usually undereducated and unemployed. This is the reason why they get aggressive - just as some minorities in the US (do you remember the Los Angeles riots in 1992?). But there is one thing for sure: They will not take over the power here.

We can take Germany as a example: Most Turks here are assimilated, peaceful and decent people. I employ some in my own business and I know what I am talking about. That does not mean that we have to ignore the problem with Islam, but we should get the right dimensions.

The thing is, that maybe 3% (this is a extremly high supposition) of the German Turks are extreme, dangerous islamists that are willing to spread their religion with all means. Today we have a population of 82,431,390 people in Germany. 2.4% are etnic Turks. That means that we have 1,978,113 Turks living in my country and 59,363 are extreme islamists. Therefore we have to deal with some foul 0,072% of our population.

Even if 20% of our Turkish compatriots would tend to dangerous ideas we had a problem with 0,48% of our population. It will take 68 times of their current number (which is over-, over-, over-, overstated in this worst case supposition) until they reach 1/3 of all Germans.

You can check all those numbers in the CIA factbook: http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/gm.html

Can you imagine how ridicoulos the whole discussion about "Eurarabia", "Dhimmitude" and "Muslim toppling of Europe" from the German view is?

To change Europe into a "Eurabia" it would be nessecary that Islam is starting a intellectual push to find new members among the native populace. This will not work: Native Europeans are either catholic, protestant or are absolutely not interested in religion. Islam has simply no chance to inspire native Europeans (exept of some very few idiots).

Furthermore it is only possible to "take over" our system if the Islamiacs are able to act intelligent. In the moment most of them belong to the undereducated lower class and are unfit to act in a larger frame. I.e. Those kids who torched cars in Paris mainly burned the cars of their own parents since they were simply too dumb to go into the more wealthy suburbs.

You can believe me since I am a real insider with open eyes living in good old Europe.