[Torie]

Not this neocon, although frankly I don't think anybody really knows what the second amendment means, and I have studied it with some energy. I don't know what empire building means either. What does it mean in this context? I know what it means to me, which is to make the planet and more humane and civil place, to the extent we can, and less susceptible to being the fertile swamp for the breeding of toxic agents well capable of metastasizing to places far distant. It also means trying to contain the fascistic elements in newly muscular places feeling the their oats, like China, which reminds me of Bismark's Germany, as the first course.

[RHINO369]

No one knows what the second ammendment means! Read it, its in simple english, the right of the people to keep and bare arms shall not be infinged. Sounds very very very clear to me. Add that to the history of gun ownership, like our first battle our nation ever faught was a milita of citizens protecting its legislator from arrest. THen add well over a hundred years when not one person even claimed that we didn't have a right to own guns.