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Hollywood Crashes and Yearns (Blaming "society" for all that is wrong with America...)
The American Prowler ^ | 3/7/2006 | James Bowman

Posted on 03/06/2006 11:46:45 PM PST by nickcarraway

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1 posted on 03/06/2006 11:46:48 PM PST by nickcarraway
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To: nickcarraway
Its all illusion. Now its time to go back to the business of making movies.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

2 posted on 03/06/2006 11:51:04 PM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: nickcarraway; goldstategop
What a bunch of BS!

Crash was essentially a meditation on 1. Despite what we state in public, we still maintain "politically incorrect" opinions about other races (whether we are black, white, or any other color). Crash merely made the characters say what most of us think but are afraid to say. and 2. Despite our preoccupation with racism as "the ultimate public sin", many of those that superficially are racist, are actually outstanding human beings under the rough surface. The hero of the film is a "bigoted" white cop for Crissake.

This writer is so blinded by the ideology that "everything is hunky dory among the races" in America, that he failed to see the real message behind the movie: That all of us have our faults and prejudices, but that they do not define who we are as people.

3 posted on 03/06/2006 11:55:46 PM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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To: nickcarraway
Well said article. Hollywood again tries to enthrone a film that most of us will never see. (Yawn)

After watching selected portions of the Oscarcast, I'm going to rent March of the Penguins and Walk the Line, and ignore the rest. Already seen Narnia and will buy it when it comes out on DVE.

4 posted on 03/06/2006 11:55:54 PM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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You will not be disappointed by WALK THE LINE: pure entertainment from the first minute to the last, always interesting, never tries too hard, doesn't have to, and some of the best acting you will see in any movie>Phoenix and Witherspoon were perfection.


5 posted on 03/07/2006 12:02:29 AM PST by willyboyishere (You'd better begin living the way you think, or you'll soon be thinking the way you live> Brecht)
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To: Ciexyz

Agree with you. Hollywood is fast becoming irrelevant. As Mark Steyn wrote recently, it is a record shop with only three records and it plays the same three over and over again ...


6 posted on 03/07/2006 12:08:55 AM PST by dimmer-rats stealvotes (Catching onto the FOX Fonies)
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To: Clemenza

You make some good points. To be honest, I am prob one of the few people on here that saw Brokeback Mouintain and actually thought it was a pretty good film. I think he right on about the manufactured hype about the movie esp on the left. I thought Crash was disappointing in alot of ways. I think the writer does have a point about the old days. The NR had quite a good article on how after 9/11 it seemed that it really disminished the race issue because we are all Americans now. In my view it certainty took the nasty "edge" off of it though. It does seems like it receded some but your right in your post though. I guess I cant see another LA Riot situation happening like that again in our current climate. or for the forseeable future.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 12:14:13 AM PST by bayourant
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To: willyboyishere

Joaquin Phoenix is a marvelous actor, much better than Clooney and some of the other recent winners. Shame that he hasn't picked up an Oscar by now. He was terrific as Commodus in "Gladiator".


8 posted on 03/07/2006 12:14:45 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: dimmer-rats stealvotes
I think it's a hoot how the Oscars play clips from the same old banner films from the past (Ten Commandments, Ben Hur, Spartacus) while cranking out films that would have the old-time producers puking in disgust.

To give Best Song to that disgusting piece of drivel, the pimp-ho song....ye-gawds....

9 posted on 03/07/2006 12:17:31 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: Ciexyz

That is the truth. I think his acting is awesome. I thought a great film he was in was The village. That was some great actiing on his part. Also how he played the son in that MEl Gibson movie about Aliens was good.


10 posted on 03/07/2006 12:20:48 AM PST by bayourant
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To: bayourant

I remember the days when viewers of the Oscar show actually cared about which song won "Best Song". When a tune like "Windmills of Your Mind" would stay in your mind for ages, uplifting you. When you could sit and watch without embarrassment the clips from the various movies. (The Altman montage had some quip about urinating, I found that embarrassing. I switched the channel.)


11 posted on 03/07/2006 12:21:36 AM PST by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: bayourant
The NR had quite a good article on how after 9/11 it seemed that it really disminished the race issue because we are all Americans now. In my view it certainty took the nasty "edge" off of it though.

The effects of 9/11 lasted for all of one month in NYC.

Whites continue to avoid living among blacks, and many still cross the street when a group of black youth walk by. Blacks still see white people as "the enemy" in many cases, no matter how they try to supress their feelings in the work place. And class has nothing to do with it. Upper middle class blacks have moved into West Orange New Jersey in recent years, while whites have moved out.

Of course, the race issue is not as intense as it once was in this country, but it is still there, and has gotten more complex due to the influx of Latinos, Muslims, Asians, etc., many of whom are more open of their hatred of blacks, btw, than whites are. The main difference is that middle class and above folks may not SAY anything racist, but they still have images/stereotypes in the back of their mind when they encounter other races or drive through an "ethnic" neighborhood.

Speaking as one who has lived most of his life in multiethnic New York, to say nothing of stints in Chicago and Miami, I can tell you that the folks who believe that "racism is a thing of the past and we are all colorblind" tend to live in (largely white) suburban communities. Those of us in places like LA, New York, Chicago, etc. however, encounter racial realities everyday.

12 posted on 03/07/2006 12:22:00 AM PST by Clemenza (I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked...)
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Yeah I see your point and I dont think Racism is dead. I t just seems a lot less heated. Interesting you mentioned Chicago. I was pretty shocked when I went there. I guess being from the South I envisioned Chicago being alot more intergrated but in reality it seemed to be one of the most segregated cities I have been in of that size as to blacks and whites interacting outside the work place. Even in the mundane things like going to the grocery store. My favorite expression was (that place is kinda of shady).


13 posted on 03/07/2006 12:34:59 AM PST by bayourant
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To: Clemenza
Those of us in places like LA, New York, Chicago, etc. however, encounter racial realities everyday.

Maybe so, but in my experience, the ones perpetrating the most racism are the same ones complaining most loudly about being victims of racism.

And as far as whites crossing the street when a group of black youths walk by - who could blame them? Black society, as a whole, has embraced the "gangster" culture and with 1 in 4 or so black men either in prison or out on parole, and many of the rest wanting to emulate them, it might behoove those people who don't wish to have to engage in street combat to make some effort to avoid groups of black youth. That may not sound PC, but there it is. When black Americans quit embracing the worst elements of society, people will stop treating them like criminals.
14 posted on 03/07/2006 12:36:13 AM PST by fr_freak
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To: Clemenza
Whites ... still cross the street when a group of black youth walk by.

If they look like thugs, you bet. If they look like students, no.

15 posted on 03/07/2006 12:54:16 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (Peace Begins in the Womb)
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To: nickcarraway

What liberals don't understand that many times not doing what you "feel" like doing is the best course of action. Just because something can be done doesn't mean it should be. Conservatives by nature understand the value of restraint. Liberals give in to every desire. Their urges for immediate gratification dominate their lives. That old motto from the sixties "if it feels good, do it" still applies to the Hollyweird crowd. They fail to understand that many people might "feel good" nuking L.A. Simply acting on ones impulses with no consideration of the consequences is not the proper course of action. If it feels good, maybe you shouldn't do it.


16 posted on 03/07/2006 12:57:52 AM PST by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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I have to ask, what makes someone want to even see Brokeback Mountain knowing what the subject matter is? I'm serious.. we all know what the topic was.. so what was the attraction to it for you? Curiosity?

The man running the Oscars said he realized not many people had seen many of the movies that were nominated. Which is why he did all the "clips" of old movies because everyone could relate to them. Talk about a movie industry that is out of touch with the public!

Personally, we won't be seeing Syriana, Munich, or Brokeback Mountain. We won't support movies that glorify terrorists or try to "humanize" them. (Tell that to the victims of Munich or Sept 11th who had to jump from buildings.. tell the little school girls just a few months ago in Afghanistan who were forced to watch their teacher be beheaded because he DARED to teach little girls school! Which btw, was just as Syriana was being nominated! Tell all the people they've beheaded how they are human too!) No, I don't think putting a face on a terrorist and making them seem like us is responsible at all. They aren't like us. They aren't even close! They are cold and evil!

The same holds true for a movie that tries to show homosexuality as a "normal" way of life. It isn't!

If it were there wouldn't be a disease process that the homosexual community is constantly in battle with in order to have sexual relations and even STAY ALIVE! HIV/AIDS!

The same goes for sexually active promiscuous people. People who have multiple partners are at high risk and often get STD's. I have a medical background and have worked in this area. Condoms don't solve all STD problems.

God intended for man and woman to be monogomous/married. Isn't it strange how when they are, there is NO disease?

When we turn away from Him things just don't work the way they should. There is no getting away from it. Someday, mankind will figure it out.

This life is but the blink of an eye compared to eternity. Blink your eye once and think about it!

Yet some play Russian roulette with life. I feel sorry for those who have thought there was nothing more than this life to contend with. Eternity is forever...

Anyway.. Hollywood has truly out done themselves this time. I was curious if anyone on FR would try to defend any of the movies that were out there this year.

I don't have to see any of the movies to know if they are good or bad. The subject matter is already off limits. Sin is sin. Wrong is wrong....


17 posted on 03/07/2006 1:19:09 AM PST by Vets_Husband_and_Wife
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To: Jeff Chandler

If they look like thugs, you bet. If they look like students, no.



If they look like Jehovah's Witnesses, yes.


18 posted on 03/07/2006 1:23:33 AM PST by durasell (!)
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To: fr_freak
" And as far as whites crossing the street when a group of black youths walk by - who could blame them? Black society, as a whole, has embraced the "gangster" culture and with 1 in 4 or so black men either in prison or out on parole....."

When an Ethnic Group that accounts for only 14% of the U.S. population causes 42% of the crimes, avoiding that group is nothing more than self-survival.

19 posted on 03/07/2006 1:34:07 AM PST by albee (The best thing you can do for the poor is.....not be one of them. - Eric Hoffer)
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To: nickcarraway
... gay cowboys -- or, more accurately, sheep-boys ...

Instead of cow pokes, they were sheep pokes.

20 posted on 03/07/2006 1:36:17 AM PST by JoeGar
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